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Scientists extract hydrogen gas from oil and bitumen, giving potential pollution-free energy
WUWT ^ | November 11, 2019 | Goldschmidt Conference

Posted on 11/11/2019 8:21:41 PM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

1 cubic ft of hydrogen = 325 btu’s of heat available
1 gallon of #2 fuel oil = 138,500 btu’s of heat available.
I gallon is about .133 cubic feet.
so 1 cubic ft of hydrogen = 325 btu’s
1 cubic ft of fuel oil = 1,041,353 btu’s
This is why hydrogen isn’t a viable fuel for general purpose use. Either you compress hydrogen, then burn a lot fast to get the energy out of it ( rocket engines) or you burn oil at ambient pressure and get a lot of energy for the volume consumed. One is a lot safer.


41 posted on 11/11/2019 11:24:16 PM PST by Waverunner (I'd like to welcome our new overlords, say hello to my little friend)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Whatever happened to making it from water and DC electricity? Solar panels and a water source would be almost free after paying for the solar panels.


42 posted on 11/11/2019 11:40:28 PM PST by chuckles
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

The idea would be for the Hydrogen extraction from oil and bitumen would be controlled enough to maintain the power demands of the engine. That way it keeps the level of hydrogen available down to where any accident does not create catastrophe. If the mechanism for such extraction was miniaturized in a small device, it may even lower the weight of a vehicle.


43 posted on 11/11/2019 11:40:55 PM PST by jonrick46 (Cultural Marxism is the cult of the Left waiting for the Mothership.)
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To: jonrick46

Sounds good to me. Does bring up a great opportunity too. There is going to be a big market for the trailers of oil sands you will have to tow behind the car to keep it running.

Invest in trailer manufacturers.


44 posted on 11/12/2019 12:29:49 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (TRUMP TRAIN !!! Get the hell out of the way if you are not on yet because we don't stop for idiots)
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To: rockinqsranch

What about adding the water vapor to the atmosphere when the hydrogen burns? Water vapor is 70 times worse than CO2


45 posted on 11/12/2019 12:43:03 AM PST by willyd (I for one welcome our NSA overlords)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
Nope. Water vapor is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2.

The greenies won't say a word until billions or trillions have been invested in this technology, then they'll "discover" this problem and ban its use.

They've pulled this crap in the past, they can't help but do it in the future.

Mark my words.

46 posted on 11/12/2019 1:07:40 AM PST by null and void (Convicted spies are shot, traitors are hanged, saboteurs are subject to summary execution...)
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To: Vermont Lt
Wasn’t the Hindenburg floated with H2?

Yes.

Wasn't the Hindenburg painted with powdered aluminum paint over red iron oxide primer? In other words it was covered in thermite!

47 posted on 11/12/2019 1:11:06 AM PST by null and void (Convicted spies are shot, traitors are hanged, saboteurs are subject to summary execution...)
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To: Spktyr

Yup. Painted in thermite.


48 posted on 11/12/2019 1:13:30 AM PST by null and void (Convicted spies are shot, traitors are hanged, saboteurs are subject to summary execution...)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

The fact that the hydrogen for hydrogen fueled cars is coming from petrochemicals has got to be killing the greenie weenies.

CC


49 posted on 11/12/2019 1:19:53 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV)
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To: datura

Exactly!! #sciencematters.


50 posted on 11/12/2019 3:02:44 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

It may work. But hydrogen leaks the walls of the pipes , and even more through joints and welds that oil and natural gas are well-sealed by.


51 posted on 11/12/2019 3:20:00 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

from the article: “This technique can draw up huge quantities of hydrogen while leaving the carbon in the ground.”

The hydrogen is almost certainly coming from the cleavage of carbon-hydrogen bonds in hydrocarbons in the ground, and the unaddressed question is what happens to the carbon? Does it end up as CO2 (which can ultimately leach out)? Or does the carbon end up in some other form - that’s a pretty fundamental consideration, and it’s odd, at least to me, that it remains unaddressed (or if addressed, unstated).


52 posted on 11/12/2019 4:23:06 AM PST by Stosh
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Hydrogen? One word: Hindenburg.


53 posted on 11/12/2019 4:38:40 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

It’ll never “get there”.

The (inaptly) named SunCell (tm) is a MUCH safer approach AND runs on trace quantities of water (extracting the H2 as needed.) This a MUCH SAFER approach as opposed to HYDROGEN TRANSPORT as others have pointed out ...

AS anyone who follows Thunderf00t on Youtube knows, he fears ‘free Hydrogen’ in a lab MORE than anything else on account of its “explosiveness”.


54 posted on 11/12/2019 4:41:56 AM PST by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: ModelBreaker

Are you questioning the Hydrogen Pixie?


55 posted on 11/12/2019 6:21:31 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: null and void

Well, yes. Control freaks will always find something that is “problematic” that needs to be controlled or made off limits.


56 posted on 11/12/2019 6:23:44 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Since bitumen is asphalt, I supposed a hydrogen powered car could just suck up hydrogen as it goes. (hehe)


57 posted on 11/12/2019 6:25:10 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: mmichaels1970

“So...Global Clouding?”

Why, I think you just coined a phrase! “Global Clouding”. Nice.


58 posted on 11/12/2019 6:26:17 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: mmichaels1970

You had better trademark that name. Heck, start selling Cloud Credits!


59 posted on 11/12/2019 6:28:28 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

“This can be used to power hydrogen-powered vehicles, which are...”

Well, I hate to clue in the uninformed, but every petrol engine IS a hydrogen engine: CH3(CH2)6CH3 - good old octane! It’s just that we currently drag along a few carbons too.

And diesel too: Mostly C9H20 or C14H30.

My PROBLEM, is that no one has stated that ANY of these processes are at least energy break-even to remove the carbon. if they do not at least break even energy wise, we’re just using more energy to get the same amount of work done! A bad idea. It’s like using ethanol from corn; about as STUPID an idea as one can get... yet that’s what we do! If we really want to do ethanol, use soybeans, beats or algae as feed stock.


60 posted on 11/12/2019 6:34:25 AM PST by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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