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Boeing shares slide after FAA discovered ‘concerning’ messages about 737 Max certification
NBC ^ | 10/18/2019 | Leslie Josephs

Posted on 10/18/2019 10:43:13 AM PDT by Red Badger

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To: Dead Dog

“I suspect most reporting now days is narrative for hire.”

So was that load of horsepoop in your #28 post. It had no facts, just hyperbole. Even the MCAS description is wrong in its facts, yet, you believe it because why? Because no one can post lies or untruths on the Internet??

New York Slimes strike again. Yet another ignorant person followed their lead because it sounded good.


41 posted on 10/18/2019 2:07:55 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: CodeToad

$10m, $410m both are red herrings and have nothing to do with the falacious crap you repeated.


42 posted on 10/18/2019 2:09:35 PM PDT by Dead Dog (J.)
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To: Dead Dog

I suspect you’ve been a long standing liberal troll on FR.

The fact that you call Boeing paying Obama $10 million in January 2019, by their own admission, “crap” kind proves that you have been a liberal troll.


43 posted on 10/18/2019 2:12:32 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: CodeToad
Not with an inherently unstable wing/engine design. No software can make it safe.

Juan Brown former military and trip 7 pilot does not agree with you,

Check out his in depth analysis here

it's lengthy enough so a layman can understand but not overly detailed and boring.

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44 posted on 10/18/2019 2:18:29 PM PDT by infool7 (Your mistakes are not what define you, it's how gracefully you recover from them that does.)
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To: infool7

Sorry, but the man contradicts himself. He even states in another video that the plane DOES NOT FLY LIKE A 737 and experiences unusual attitude at low speed and high power settings.

He’s a glory hound that can’t seem to keep his story straight.


45 posted on 10/18/2019 2:20:53 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: RayChuang88

re: “The possibility increases that the 737 MAX will NEVER fly in revenue service again. Boeing will have to scrap nearly 600 airframes and start all over again. “

Doubtful.


46 posted on 10/18/2019 2:22:15 PM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: CodeToad

ok but

DOES NOT FLY LIKE A 737 != inherently unstable wing/engine design.

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47 posted on 10/18/2019 2:24:15 PM PDT by infool7 (Your mistakes are not what define you, it's how gracefully you recover from them that does.)
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To: MortMan

re: “angle of attach (AOA)”

Attack. Angle of attack. But you knew that ...


48 posted on 10/18/2019 2:24:49 PM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

re: “The MAX should have never been built “

Airframe/aeronautics engineer?


49 posted on 10/18/2019 2:26:52 PM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: _Jim

Typos are us!


50 posted on 10/18/2019 2:33:58 PM PDT by MortMan (Americans are a people increasingly separated by our connectivity.)
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To: infool7

You didn’t review all his videos to understand what he said. You misunderstood it as most people do these days. You understand bits and pieces, get impatient, and then
fail to grasp the rest of what is said.

The 737 MAX has an unusual attitude problem which is stated in aviation-speak as ‘unstable’. He even goes into how it is unstable. See, you don’t know what the words mean and think that you do. ‘Unstable’ does not mean ‘falls out of the sky’. It has a distinct meaning that you need to first understand before coming to a conclusion about what you think you heard.

The MCAS system was created because the 737 MAX is unstable and pitches nose up.


51 posted on 10/18/2019 2:34:04 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: _Jim

“Airframe/aeronautics engineer?”

I am, and I will state that the 737 was a bad design and was stated as such by the engineers who built it, but, as NASA lost the Challenger, management didn’t listen. They wanted to beat Airbus to the punch with a more efficient airplane.


52 posted on 10/18/2019 2:36:00 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: _Jim

“re: “The possibility increases that the 737 MAX will NEVER fly in revenue service again. Boeing will have to scrap nearly 600 airframes and start all over again. “

Doubtful.”

Not doubtful. It is possible since the criminal investigations are showing the wing/engine mating certification was not handled within the confines of the law.


53 posted on 10/18/2019 2:38:01 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: CodeToad

I do understand

I have watched all of his videos on the subject

You are misrepresenting what is clearly explained in the videos.

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54 posted on 10/18/2019 2:56:02 PM PDT by infool7 (Your mistakes are not what define you, it's how gracefully you recover from them that does.)
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To: MortMan
Mortman,

Cool, Im an aeronerd too. But not at all tied into this mess. I dont fly part 25 stuff, just 23, but have flown for hire. Fly by night is literal, and I do have one former boss who is now dead due to airborne stupidity. Aviation is definitely is not a game

In think your not quite correct on a couple, important points: thanks to bogus reporting. It has access to both AOA sensors (it only uses that that the pilot in control uses), mismatch indications were the option (assumed to be a maintenance benefit, not safety), and it drives trim just as STS does, just faster. Im not sure how you can describe stick force gradient as anything other than control feel. Again, b737.net.uk has the best explanation, and based off original sources.

My opinion: in 1965, nobody on the flight deck would have become saturated due to an aoa sensor failure, and assuming it would be treated as a runaway trim was a safe assumption. They probably would have certified without MCAS, and been fine.

However, we live in a brave new world with 250 hour FO’s, Capt’s with no experience without automation, and nearly autonomous aircraft. Build an airliner that doesn't need well trained crew, and you don’t need crew.

55 posted on 10/18/2019 3:12:47 PM PDT by Dead Dog (J.)
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To: infool7

“You are misrepresenting what is clearly explained in the videos.”

No, I am not. You are. The 737 MAX bolted on engines that cause a nose up attitude and the MCAS was designed to correct for it. Period.


56 posted on 10/18/2019 3:14:09 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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re: “I am, and”

The question was for the other poster.


57 posted on 10/18/2019 3:23:30 PM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: CodeToad

Still doubtful.


58 posted on 10/18/2019 3:23:54 PM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: CodeToad
The 737 MAX bolted on engines

Well I hope they're bolted on.

Did you even watch the videos?

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59 posted on 10/18/2019 3:25:29 PM PDT by infool7 (Your mistakes are not what define you, it's how gracefully you recover from them that does.)
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To: infool7

“Did you even watch the videos?”

Did you? Maybe you did, but I highly doubt you understood what he was saying. This just isn’t that difficult to understand.


60 posted on 10/18/2019 3:31:28 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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