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To: amorphous

From https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/christian-student-challenged-a-school-history-lesson-on-islam-and-lost-in-court/2019/02/12/2a7d78fa-2ee4-11e9-813a-0ab2f17e305b_story.html :

“Wood was also required to complete a work sheet on the growth of Islam, the “beliefs and practices,” and the links between Islam, Judaism and Christianity. A fill-in-the-blank section included the statement: “There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah,” a portion of an Islamic declaration of faith known as the shahada.”

. . .

“Wood received a lower grade for the lesson, but it did not affect her final grade, filings show.”

. . .

“...students “were not required to memorize the shahada, to recite it, or even to write the complete statement of faith,” according to the ruling.”


I think the last part is one of the reasons the USSC didn’t take the case, as well as that her final grade was not affected so there as nothing to remedy.

It’s good to know something about other religions, but when I was a high school student, we never had to get into the minutiae of each religion’s statement of faith, etc.


19 posted on 10/16/2019 12:33:10 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: skr

Thank you for clarifying what Whirled Nut Daily omitted.


21 posted on 10/16/2019 1:06:39 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: skr
“Wood received a lower grade for the lesson, but it did not affect her final grade, filings show.” . . . “...students “were not required to memorize the shahada, to recite it, or even to write the complete statement of faith,” according to the ruling.”

So which was it? Was she required to recite it or not?

The first line says she was and when she didn't, she got a lower grade for the assignment.

The second line says she wasn't required to recite it.

Besides, the fact that it did not overall affect her grade is not the issue. It's not about her grade. It's about her compromising everything she believes in.

35 posted on 10/16/2019 2:38:43 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: skr
"Wood was also required to complete a work sheet on the growth of Islam, the “beliefs and practices,” and the links between Islam, Judaism and Christianity. A fill-in-the-blank section included the statement: “There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah,” a portion of an Islamic declaration of faith known as the shahada."

Hmm, would have desposed the local imam or the imam where this puke tripe teacher drew the information from, and asked him under oath if writing out the shithada would count as a full-fledged shithada, say, in the instance the postulate was mute?

Surely it is; and then if it is, it is indeed a violation of the Establishment Clause.

40 posted on 10/16/2019 3:42:57 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (CNN's Dana B: "Show of hands: Coverage for undocumented immigrants?" ***all Democrat hands raised***)
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To: skr

I wonder if the student could have written the answer with quotation mark and in brackets put down [I don’t believe this, but this is what you are looking for.]

Also, Muslims say that prophets can not lie.... Mohammed called Jesus a prophet. May we study what Jesus said and have some questions about that in our next text?


51 posted on 10/16/2019 5:01:00 AM PDT by JCM
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It's also important to keep in mind that at least four Justices must vote to hear a case. My understanding is that often, Justices who are receptive to the claimant's argument may nonetheless vote against hearing a case IF they fear the ruling would go the wrong way for whatever reason, e.g. Too many liberals, Roberts is compromised, etc.

We went decades after Miller before we got a Second Amendment ruling, in part because (so I heard) the Justices wanted the RIGHT CASE. It worked. We gun rights enthusiasts have a similar debate on getting a concealed-carry case before the SCOTUS. While I'd love national reciprocity, I'm ok with the strong States Rights we have today vs risking a losing case with the uncertainty of Roberts.

If this really was not a rock-solid Establishment case then maybe it is best in the long run to take a pass. Similarly, if RBG or another leftist leaves and we get an originalist Justice, then such cases may be brought forward.

This doesn't mean I love forced conversion or proselytizing. But Our Lord reminds us we will have Crosses to bear; hopefully this child's stance has a ripple effect greater than a SCOTUS case.

58 posted on 10/16/2019 6:30:47 AM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: skr

By saying or writing that phrase, you are converting to Islam, per Islamic rules. So if she said or wrote the phrase, and then recanted, she would be subject to death, again by Islamic rules.
Further, if a Justice on the Supreme Court said or wrote the phrase three times in their, that judge (or judges) would have converted to Islam, according to Islamic law. Same with the lawyers, and obviously the teacher has already converted.


70 posted on 10/16/2019 8:42:56 AM PDT by bIlluminati (Defund the Left. Shrink the U.S. Federal government to 1897 levels.)
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To: skr
See #77. Additionally, Keenan's statement in her 18-page opinion:

In its ruling, the court considered the school’s broad world history curriculum rather than examining each potentially problematic statement. If judges found violations “every time that a student or parent thought that a single statement by a teacher either advanced or disapproved of a religion, instruction in our public schools ‘would be reduced to the lowest common denominator,’ ”

is faulty, since a "single statement" can violate the fundamental teachings of Judeo-Christianity. Opinions of Christianity by any state agency should indeed "be reduced to the lowest common denominator" through some unbiased arbitrator.

In this case, "the school’s content specialist had testified that the language included in the slide about the strength of the Muslim faith relative to Christianity was “inappropriate” and that he would have advised the teacher not to include it in the lesson."

80 posted on 10/16/2019 11:19:15 AM PDT by amorphous
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To: skr

I remember when teaching world history,one of the suggested questions for the chapter test on Christianity was, “Jesus was the son of God.” I used some of the question just tweaked it to read “Jesus is the Son of God.


105 posted on 10/17/2019 1:47:10 PM PDT by mware (RETIRED)
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