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Why do you say that? My understanding is the Donetsk is heavily industrialized and contains valuable Industries and thereby, a significant GDP.


From an economic stand point there is interest in Donetsk. But the average person in Ukraine and Russia couldn’t care less. It’s a backwater on the border with Russia. Those folks in Donbas are naturally going to have something of an affinity for Russia due to geography and culture. It’s always been a manufactured crisis by Putinist Russia. It goes away the moment Putin decides it is not worth it.


17 posted on 10/14/2019 9:24:09 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

“” “” . It’s always been a manufactured crisis by Putinist Russia. It goes away the moment Putin decides it is not worth it.”” “”

That’s Brennan’s talking point. Why there was a revolution 3 months before presidential elections? Yanukovich was about to be voted out anyway by pro-Western opposition.
The problem is every pro-Western government in Ukraine proved to be a disaster but people never learnt.
It was always a landing of a force of DC advisors rearranging control over national business and arranging aid packages for themselves to loot.
It never lasted more than one term for pro-Western leader because the damage was too big for the people to come to terms with.
The revolution and war was designed specifically to prevent return of pro-Russian administration. At current conditions they’d claim everyone who oppose Biden style corruption and want stronger Russian ties for economic benefits of the country as traitors.
Pro-Westerners in Ukraine never talk economy. For decades they are stirring the issue of Russian vs Ukrainian language and Orthodox vs Catholics. That’s all their talking points.
Now they have ‘war’ on top of it. Why Poroshenko derailed peace talks? He was looting the country together with DC advisors and the economy went to crapper. Language, religious baiting and now war were his excuses why there is ruin.


20 posted on 10/14/2019 9:43:34 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: lodi90

“” “” . It’s always been a manufactured crisis by Putinist Russia. It goes away the moment Putin decides it is not worth it.”” “”

That’s Brennan’s talking point. Why there was a revolution 3 months before presidential elections? Yanukovich was about to be voted out anyway by pro-Western opposition.
The problem is every pro-Western government in Ukraine proved to be a disaster but people never learnt.
It was always a landing of a force of DC advisors rearranging control over national business and arranging aid packages for themselves to loot.
It never lasted more than one term for pro-Western leader because the damage was too big for the people to come to terms with.
The revolution and war was designed specifically to prevent return of pro-Russian administration. At current conditions they’d claim everyone who oppose Biden style corruption and want stronger Russian ties for economic benefits of the country as traitors.
Pro-Westerners in Ukraine never talk economy. For decades they are stirring the issue of Russian vs Ukrainian language and Orthodox vs Catholics. That’s all their talking points.
Now they have ‘war’ on top of it. Why Poroshenko derailed peace talks? He was looting the country together with DC advisors and the economy went to crapper. Language, religious baiting and now war were his excuses why there is ruin.


21 posted on 10/14/2019 9:44:06 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: lodi90

About 90% of the people in Donetsk speak Russian...not Ukrainian. It seems that it already has special status.


26 posted on 10/15/2019 1:20:46 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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