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1 posted on 10/14/2019 3:22:41 AM PDT by Helicondelta
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The announcement of a deal between Syria’s Kurds and its government is a major shift in alliances that came after President Donald Trump ordered all U.S. troops withdrawn from the northern border area amid the rapidly deepening chaos.

In other words, this deal could have been made years ago if only the U.S. would let these misfits grow up and face reality on their own.

2 posted on 10/14/2019 3:23:37 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave." -- Frederick Douglass)
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They’ve been doing this for hundreds of years. It’s a civil war that crosses borders. Neither of the parties are “nice guys”. And Erdogan is playing both sides.


3 posted on 10/14/2019 3:24:50 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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Kurds were always Marxists following more or less the Soviet-Assad axis. Did Trump stab them in the back or was this a sham anyways all along?

I do not like Trump’s antigun policies and his potential letting some voters or communities high and dry, but this is not one of them.


18 posted on 10/14/2019 4:26:48 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security in hatse:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified e)
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I have officially placed all Mideast countries, except Israel, on my give a shiff list.


27 posted on 10/14/2019 4:59:51 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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Smart move on Trump’s part. Let Syria take care of its on country. We are not the cops for the world while other countries don’t even try to take care of their own. Throw them in the creek and let them learn how to swim to save themselves.


31 posted on 10/14/2019 5:34:48 AM PDT by DOC44
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Maybe Syria will deploy some of their WW2-era Panzers. They probably still run.

https://youtu.be/MbgW9C9G0H4


32 posted on 10/14/2019 5:35:22 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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One bright spot in this mess is that it makes Erdogan look like the monster he is. Also maybe we can get Turkey kicked out of NATO or disband NATO altogether.
33 posted on 10/14/2019 5:47:19 AM PDT by McGruff (No one is above the law - Nancy Pelosi)
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Return Syria to what it originally was. What a radical idea.

34 posted on 10/14/2019 5:50:06 AM PDT by McGruff (No one is above the law - Nancy Pelosi)
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President Trump’s tweets this morning:

Brian Kilmeade over at @foxandfriends got it all wrong. We are not going into another war between people who have been fighting with each other for 200 years. Europe had a chance to get their ISIS prisoners, but didn’t want the cost. “Let the USA pay,” they said...

....Kurds may be releasing some to get us involved. Easily recaptured by Turkey or European Nations from where many came, but they should move quickly. Big sanctions on Turkey coming! Do people really think we should go to war with NATO Member Turkey? Never ending wars will end!

The same people who got us into the Middle East mess are the people who most want to stay there!

Happy Columbus Day!


35 posted on 10/14/2019 5:54:32 AM PDT by McGruff (No one is above the law - Nancy Pelosi)
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Syria now has the Kurds and Russia.

Turkey really stepped into a mess.


37 posted on 10/14/2019 6:10:46 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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Good it’s not our fight and another Perfect Trump strategy!


42 posted on 10/14/2019 7:08:11 AM PDT by Harpotoo (Being a socialist is a lot easier than having to WORK like the rest of US:-))
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Assad will, like the U.S., prove to be an ally of convenience to the Kurds, lasting only as long as it is convenient to Assad. Assad and Erdogan will come to an agreement, and once that is sealed the Kurds in Syria will be back under the oppressive thumb of Assad, just as they (12 million) are under the thumb of Erdogan in Turkey. The Kurds will again find they have no real friends in the world. Who will be any winner among the Kurds? The most radical elements among the Kurds will be the winners, as Kurds will quit listening to their moderate politicians.


43 posted on 10/14/2019 7:59:36 AM PDT by Wuli
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I’m sure we told the kurds we were leaving. They should have gone back to their autonomous province in N Iraq. They have been trying a land grab in Syria and Turkey for years. It didn’t work out. Now they are sitting ducks for two countries that hate their guts.


47 posted on 10/14/2019 8:33:19 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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I don’t care for Syrians or Turks. I hope they devastate each other.


50 posted on 10/14/2019 10:16:32 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Chivalry is not dead. It is a warriors code and only practiced by warriors.)
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NO! WAIT! It’s America’s sacred duty to step between all warring parties and mixing in, so that they both start shooting at Americans instead of each other./s


52 posted on 10/14/2019 12:07:11 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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I see a lot of people saying “Russia is going to fight Turkey”, but so far, I see no evidence of that. Turkey’s Air Defense system is antique by our standards, but those old missiles can still take out Russian fighter/bombers and helicopters. And most of those systems will remain on Turkish soil. Russia is not going to send combat aircraft into an active air defense system, let alone one defended by F16’s. If Russia goes all in, I suspect the first sign will be missile attacks on Turkish SAMs. This risks a wider war and NATO entanglement. If they are not willing to fully commit, they could use missiles and drones to attack Turkish forces inside Syria, as well as provide ISR in near real time to Syrian/Kurd forces.

Pretty much ANY direct involvement by Russia pushes Turkey back to NATO, and that is a long term geopolitical loss for Putin. With that in mind, it seems likely that Russia will stay out of this mess, providing only weapons and ISR.


54 posted on 10/14/2019 12:53:06 PM PDT by ETCM
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