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1 posted on 10/09/2019 9:49:32 AM PDT by tkocur
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If Congress wants to do something about it, they can declare war as per the Constitution.

No more undeclared wars started by Presidential fiat.


2 posted on 10/09/2019 9:55:18 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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Fighting between various groups that has been going on for hundreds of years. USA should never have been in Middle East. Moved our 50 soldiers out. Turkey MUST take over captured ISIS fighters that Europe refused to have returned. The stupid endless wars, for us, are ending! The United States has spent EIGHT TRILLION DOLLARS fighting and policing in the Middle East. Thousands of our Great Soldiers have died or been badly wounded. Millions of people have died on the other side. GOING INTO THE MIDDLE EAST IS THE WORST DECISION EVER MADE.........IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY! We went to war under a false & now disproven premise, WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. There were NONE! Now we are slowly & carefully bringing our great soldiers & military home. Our focus is on the BIG PICTURE! THE USA IS GREATER THAN EVER BEFORE!


4 posted on 10/09/2019 9:58:17 AM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: tkocur

Turkey represent NATO ... in their latest Turkish genocide.


5 posted on 10/09/2019 9:58:39 AM PDT by Diogenesis ( WWG1WGA)
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To: tkocur

I heard somewhere that the total number of troops we actually removed was 25.


8 posted on 10/09/2019 10:01:35 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We're living in Dr. Zhivago but without the love triangle)
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When entire Christian communities were being displaced/murdered by ISIS in Iraq with Obama, the MSM was silent. Of course, only the US can provide security to this border (but not our own borders). Europe is no where to be found and Turkey is a NATO member. Complicated business...


9 posted on 10/09/2019 10:01:51 AM PDT by Shark24
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From Breitbart:

U.S. Effectively Blocks Turkey From Operating In Syrian Airspace

"The Pentagon stated on Monday that Turkey has been removed from the “air tasking order” employed by members of the anti-Islamic State coalition operating in Syria."

"This means Turkish planes will have considerable difficulty entering Syrian airspace to support the invasion threatened by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and will not benefit from surveillance data collected by the coalition."

10 posted on 10/09/2019 10:03:24 AM PDT by blam
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To: tkocur; Texas Fossil

Maybe it is bait to draw Erdogan into a mess that will crash his economy and doom his regime.


14 posted on 10/09/2019 10:12:44 AM PDT by BeauBo
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Fake news. Turkey has been down there. The fighting has been going on. Its just not been noticed. Now Trump is pulling 50 people out. And people notice. The press yells that there is all of a sudden fighting going on. It was there. The US did not pull out yet. There is no difference in the situation from last week. This is fake news. Yes there is fighting. It was there before. Its there now. Its just not our fight. We are just the arms dealers. We are the ones who make all the weapons. We even buy the weapons and given them to the combatants. And the 50 people down there are showing the combatants how to use them. Don’t listen to these stories. Its just propaganda from the CIA and arms dealers.


18 posted on 10/09/2019 10:22:10 AM PDT by poinq
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To: tkocur

Who is winning?


19 posted on 10/09/2019 10:23:09 AM PDT by immadashell (Save Innocent Lives - ban gun free zones)
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The US provided the F-4 II and F-16 aircraft, and the KC 135 to move their in flights. WE also set up for their on grounds the larger possibilities, the BGM-71,the FIM-92 Stinger, and the M-72. For smaller arms, the M79 and M203, CAR-15, M-4A1, M-16, SCAR, Intervention and the MSR. This last grouping is used by their special forces and infantry commando brigades.

For the larger stuff, we have been providing the M 60, M48, and M 109. The AVs coming from the US at one time were ACV 15 and the M 113 and M 107. Rockets we provided include the MGM-140 and the M270.

There’s a lot more from rocket launchers to support vehicles some as simple as jeeps. The US and Turkey have been partners as early as the cold war starting about the end of WW II. The step up of the weapons trading was during the Clinton administration for the latest of the capacity.

https://fas.org/asmp/library/reports/turkeyrep.htm

A lot to find and many places to find it. Good luck. Hope this gets it startyed for you.

rwood


23 posted on 10/09/2019 10:26:26 AM PDT by Redwood71
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So who are the Kurds?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_people

Kurds (Kurdish: کورد‎, Kurd) are an Iranian[27] ethnic group native to Western Asia. Geographically, this mostly mountainous area, known as Kurdistan, includes southeastern Turkey, northwestern Iran, northern Iraq, and northern Syria.[28] There are also exclaves of Kurds in central Anatolia and Khorasan. Additionally, there are significant Kurdish diaspora communities in the cities of western Turkey, in particular Istanbul, while a Kurdish diaspora has developed in Western Europe, primarily in Germany. Numerically, the Kurds are estimated to number between 30 and 45 million.[2][29] Kurds speak the Kurdish languages and the Zaza–Gorani languages, which belong to the Western Iranian branch of the Indo-European language family.[30][31][32] Regarding religion, although the majority of Kurds belong to the Shafi‘i school of Sunni Islam, significant numbers practise Shia Islam and Alevism while some are adherents of Yarsanism, Yazidism, Zoroastrianism and Christianity. After World War One and the defeat of the Ottoman Empire, the victorious Western allies made provision for a Kurdish state in the 1920 Treaty of Sevres. However, that promise was nullified three years later, when the Treaty of Lausanne set the boundaries of modern Turkey and made no such provision, leaving Kurds with minority status in their respective countries.[33] This fact has led to numerous genocides and rebellions, along with the current ongoing armed guerrilla conflicts in Turkey, Iran, and Syria / Rojava. Kurds have an autonomous region in Iraq named Kurdistan Region, while Kurdish nationalist movements continue to pursue greater cultural rights, autonomy, and independence throughout Greater Kurdistan.

"The land of Karda" is mentioned on a Sumerian clay tablet dated to the 3rd millennium B.C. This land was inhabited by "the people of Su" who dwelt in the southern regions of Lake Van; The philological connection between "Kurd" and "Karda" is uncertain but the relationship is considered possible.[46] Other Sumerian clay tablets referred to the people, who lived in the land of Karda, as the Qarduchi and the Qurti.[47] Karda/Qardu is etymologically related to the Assyrian term Urartu and the Hebrew term Ararat.[48] Qarti or Qartas, who were originally settled on the mountains north of Mesopotamia, are considered as a probable ancestor of the Kurds. Akkadians were attacked by nomads coming through Qartas territory at the end of 3rd millennium B.C. Akkadians distinguished them as Guti. They conquered Mesopotamia in 2150 B.C. and ruled with 21 kings until defeated by the Sumerian king Utu-hengal.[49] Many Kurds consider themselves descended from the Medes, an ancient Iranian people,[50] and even use a calendar dating from 612 B.C., when the Assyrian capital of Nineveh was conquered by the Medes.[51] The claimed Median descent is reflected in the words of the Kurdish national anthem: "We are the children of the Medes and Kai Khosrow."[52] However, MacKenzie and Asatrian challenge the relation of the Median language to Kurdish.[53][54] The Kurdish languages, on the other hand, form a subgroup of the Northwestern Iranian languages like Median.[34][55] Some researchers consider the independent Kardouchoi as the ancestors of the Kurds,[56] while others prefer Cyrtians.[57] The term "Kurd," however, is first encountered in Arabic sources of the seventh century.[58] Books from the early Islamic era, including those containing legends such as the Shahnameh and the Middle Persian Kar-Namag i Ardashir i Pabagan, and other early Islamic sources provide early attestation of the name Kurd.[59] The Kurds have ethnically diverse origins.[60][61]

The usage of the term Kurd during this time period most likely was a social term, designating Northwestern Iranian nomads, rather than a concrete ethnic group.[63][64]


So basically, they're Northwestern Iranians. The majority of them are Moslems. They live mostly in the mountainous region as depicted in the map above. They're somewhat the equivalent of the Appalachian people here in the US in that they're spread out over multiple States in a mountain range.

Interestingly enough, the USA had no role in the two treaties mentioned above, one that gave the Kurds a State and the second one three years later that took it away. That was the UK and France. The treaties basically broke up the Ottoman Empire and doled out land to people. So exactly why the hell is it our problem that these Northewestern Iranian mountain nomads don't have a State?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lausanne

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Sevres

24 posted on 10/09/2019 10:29:11 AM PDT by Pollard (If you don't understand what I typed, you haven't read the classics.)
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They should make peace with Assad, who never attacked them to begin with, and restore the territorial integrity of Syria.

The entire civil war was a CIA/State/Saudi operation designed to overthrow Assad and install a wahabbist theocracy.
Back off from that and make the Kurds stop their terror attacks in Turkey and the entire problem vanishes.


29 posted on 10/09/2019 10:43:24 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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Did Trump do this because he is pro caliphate? Or is he doing this to ensure Trump Towers gets built in Turkey?


30 posted on 10/09/2019 10:44:23 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: tkocur

Funny that we have not heard a word from Assad or Russia.


33 posted on 10/09/2019 10:49:03 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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Saracens killing saracens? Someone get the popcorn.


46 posted on 10/09/2019 11:16:34 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: tkocur

So when will their economy be destroyed?


61 posted on 10/09/2019 12:17:03 PM PDT by Midwesterner53
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“The Kurds - key US allies in defeating IS in Syria - guard thousands of IS fighters and their relatives in prisons and camps in areas under their control and it is unclear whether they will continue to be safely detained.”


How about the Kurds simply blowing up the ISIS prisons & blame it on the Turks? Oh, that would mean that a whole lot of CIA recruited fanatical Islamic mercenaries would get the retribution they deserve......(can’t have that)


68 posted on 10/09/2019 2:05:44 PM PDT by Trump_vs_Evil_Witch (Clean out the CIA, top-to-bottom)
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Lots of pictures at link https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7554451/Syria-says-determined-willing-confront-Turkish-assault-ahead-imminent-invasion.html


78 posted on 10/09/2019 4:10:47 PM PDT by Truth29
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