I am the farthest thing from a communist. Are you a Falun Gong missionary? Or are you a supporter of Long Hair Leung advocating for a Trotskyite rather than Maoist Hong Kong? You are a fool whatever else you are calling me a Communist. Yeah, I can throw around ad hominem attacks too. So lay off with the insults.
I was not lying when I said my niece was paid. Falun Gong was paying people to go at the start of the protest. At the beginning of this protest, more than one group was doing that. I don’t think they are doing it now as the situation has spiraled out of control. The slogan used a couple of weeks ago by the protesters to basically form flash mobs and then melt away using the MTR and public transit was “Be the water” is right out of Falun Gong literature. According to my wife they use that term in their tai-Chi like exercise programs. It may be a coincidence but it may not be.
It is accurate to say that the PRC has been very patient with these protests. It does not make me a Chinese spy to point this out.
It is also accurate to say that the way this movement has been overtaken by violence is a clear sign that it isn’t going to end well. If this keeps up the freedoms that are enjoyed by Hong Kong will all be lost. You don’t have to be Beijing’s puppet to see that is the case.
Like it or not, Hong Kong is part of China and the people there need to realize they must exist under Chinese law. China will never give them independence. If the PRC lets HK go then Tibet and inner Mongolia stand up and ask, “Why not us? After all, we WERE independent countries!” Taiwan raises its hand and asks for formal recognition of sovereignty. The Western Muslim provinces then demand their own private Islamic slums. Macao independence anybody? What if 160 million Cantonese speakers stand up and say, “We don’t even speak the same language?” Pointing these things out does not make me a pro-China spy or a Communist. It makes me someone who understands the fear of the government in Beijing. If they let Hong Kong go they are afraid the whole nation of China falls apart. Saying this does not make a Chinese spy.
The PRC is not going to let HK become independent without an actual revolution and unlike the American Revolution where the colonist could use the long supply lines the British had to contend with so that George Washington could use the vast rural areas to simply win by not losing; Hong Kong would certainly lose. There is no possible way Hong Kong could fight a revolution against China and win. Watch a film about the Soviet response to an independence movement in Cezchelovakia in 1958. The same thing will eventually happen in Hong Kong if this keeps up. Saying that does not make me either a liar or a Pro-China spy. Agitating for independence is a sure way to get a shooting war and that is a war the people of Hong Kong would lose. That’s just how it is. Therefore, that agitation should stop. Saying this does not make me a Chinese spy or a communist.
Neither does saying that people in Hong Kong already have more freedom than other places in China make me a pro-China spy. It is simply true. I have lived in both places. Hong Kong is freer than the rest of the PRC.
The only hope for a better China is to change it from the inside or to wait for it to inevitably to collapse like the Societ Union. That day will come. Wait for it. Communist governments will always collapse. The system is unsustainable. Hong Kong needs to become an example to the rest of China. Having a bunch of students rioting and advocating for mob rule accomplishes nothing. It just makes it worse. Saying this does not make me a Chinese spy.
More of the blame should be laid at the feet of the Hong Kong police who tolerated a certain amount of corruption in the form of the triads operating in the rural areas. These petty-gangsters controlled a lot of the rural land and made huge fortunes doing it. A lot of the non-triad members in Hong Kong resent the tolerance shown to these mobsters masquerading as family historical preservation societies. Saying this does not make me a Chinese spy or a communist.
A large part of the reason for these protest -now riots - is the government’s fault and dates from the colonial mindset of the higher level HK officials who view, in my experience, the ordinary people with a palpable amount of condescension. They thought that protest would die down if they just let them play out. The Mandarins are obviously trying to downplay the issues and placate Beijing. They want to please everyone and come across as wishy-washy, platitude mumbling hypocrites. Instead, their lack of a clear coherent response emboldened the violent sectors of the protest and those have taken over the movement. Saying that does not make me a Chinese spy, communist or advocate of the HK government. Indeed, it makes me the exact opposite. I am quite critical of the HK government.
A huge amount of the fault for the issues racking the HK government should also be laid at the feet of the UK government who allowed the “Functional Consituiences” into the Hong Kong Basic Law. Margret Thatcher did a lot of good for Britain. But the Basic Law in Hong Kong is a travesty and its flaws are in large measure, something the Tory government, under Thatcher in the UK could have prevented. I have been saying this about Functional Constituencies since 1997 it does not make me a Chinese spy or a communist It is simply true.
I’ve forgotten the number but about half the Legco (The “Congress” or city council for those who don’t know the term.)are elected not from districts representing people but by various trades and industries. There are sitting LegCo members whose constituency are banks like HSBC, BEA and Standard Chartered. Other members represent not people but industries like construction companies, travel agents, airlines, restaurants, and hotels. Is it any wonder that the government is more concerned about Li Kai Shing and David Lee than ordinary people? The large corporations and banks in HK already work with the PRC and have the money to grease the communist palms. Make no mistake, big business and Chinese Communist get along very well. The grocery stores in HK openly collude with each other to keep the price of the food high. The property cartels openly collude with the government to keep the price of housing sky high. These activities are possible because of the Functional Constituencies make good and sure that there are no anti-monopoly laws, very few consumer protection laws, and no penalties for insider trading or stock market and consumer price manipulation. If these students want to make HK a more democratic place they should be advocating to abolish the Functional Constituencies. directly electing Carrie Lam would change a thing. Saying this does not make me either a liar or a Chinese spy. Neither does it make me a liar since when I lived in Hong Kong I was eligible to vote not just for the district representative but in the educational constituency. I refused the second vote for the education sector Legco member.
Having said that Carrie Lam could have, should have, made this an issue as should the three Hong Kong CE’s before her. They haven’t. Saying this does not make me either a liar or a Chinese spy. It makes me someone who wants to clean up the HK government.
Chinese communist propaganda is exactly what you are spewing. You may be able to fool a lot of people but not those who are interested enough to follow the events even superficially.
There is no point in debating a communist or a communist operative, take your pick. But it is important to set the record straight on a few points.
I only read a few paragraphs of your twisted tirade and could see you’re still trying to salvage your shameless lie about protesters being paid. Of course, that is the only thing you know given the CCP’s long tradition of paying local people to welcome CCP leaders when they visit foreign countries; paying people to hold counter-rallies against pro-HK rallies worldwide; paying people to stage protests against their enemies, mostly businesses; paying thugs to disrupt and attack Falun Gong display booths and lately, even members of the HK Legislature who don’t support the CCP.
And there are video proofs of some of the above showing the operatives distributing money right after the events.
The slogan ‘Be like water’ actually comes from the teachings of the famous ancient Chinese philosopher Lao Tze. I don’t practice Falun Gong and I don’t believe it has a big following in HK, but your attack of Falun Gong proves you’re a good soldier toeing the CCP line.
Hong Kong independence is NOT what the protesters are after, but the CCP likes to characterize it that way to prevent people in the mainland from sympathizing with the movement. Another proof of your communist core.
I don’t know what more lies you have in your post, hope the above is enough information for people to least question everything you’d written.