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To: mplc51

I disagree with this, in principle, in theory.

Whistle-blowers should not be doxed.

I actually agree with the President and disagree with the pundits that it is “troubling” that Trump pressed a foreign government to investigate corruption. There is nothing wrong with exposing corruption.

But I don’t think the President should get a whistleblower doxxed. The only time that should happen is if the claims were found to be false and intentional. While probably politically motivated, this jerk probably really thought they were doing good. It’s a bad precedent to set. If they are to be outed, it should be through the DOJ or prosecution for crimes commited


8 posted on 09/23/2019 9:30:31 AM PDT by z3n
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To: z3n

Whistle Blower said he heard? Hearsay!!!!


10 posted on 09/23/2019 9:32:01 AM PDT by mplc51
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To: z3n

Unless he already knows who it is and wants it out there.


15 posted on 09/23/2019 9:35:08 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: z3n

Except he’s not really a Whistle Blower. He’s a messenger. Someone passed him the information. He had no first hand knowledge. He should be marched in front of the judiciary.


16 posted on 09/23/2019 9:35:44 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: z3n

Hitler probably thought that he was doing good, too. Not that I’m making that comparison, it’s just most people can justify what they want to do, even if it’s evil.


17 posted on 09/23/2019 9:36:34 AM PDT by chesley (What is life but a long dialog with imbeciles? - Pierre Ryckmans)
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To: z3n
...that should happen is if the claims were found to be false and intentional

I think they might have been...
27 posted on 09/23/2019 9:44:22 AM PDT by BigEdLB (BigEdLB, Russian BOT, At your service)
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To: z3n

But I don’t think the President should get a whistle-blower doxxed. The only time that should happen is if the claims were found to be false and intentional. While probably politically motivated, this jerk probably really thought they were doing good. It’s a bad precedent to set. If they are to be outed, it should be through the DOJ or prosecution for crimes committed.

Confused. By no definition was this person a whistle-blower. There are three possibilities, this person illegally surveillance the president and reported the content of the call, had no first-hand knowledge, or made the whole thing up.

Intelligence was not allowed to listen in, so in this case he committed several crimes. Reporting gossip does not make him a whistle-blower. Lastly, the whole story is make believe.

By the way, an Intelligence officer can not whistle-blow on the executive branch, it is not covered by the law. It is theoretically impossible for him / her to be a whistle-blower under the law.


30 posted on 09/23/2019 9:49:51 AM PDT by BushCountry (thinks he needs a gal whose name doesn't end in ".jpg")
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To: z3n

dude ain’t a “whistleblower”.

The President is not just another federal employee.

He’s the President, and his dealings with foreign governments are his to classify and do for whatever policy reasons he deems fit.

Did Obama get a DoJ investigation for making a covert deal to send $150 billion to the Mad Mullahs?

No. He got a political investigation. Fine. That’s what’s supposed to happen.

If Trump hears about some buttwipe making deals that violate the FCPA he has every right to elevate it. The political operative who’s eavesdropping and talking is the one doing the crime, not the CiC.


37 posted on 09/23/2019 9:54:56 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: z3n

How can the whistleblower be legitimate? They have no first hand information. Government employees shouldn’t file complaints against the president based on rumors.


41 posted on 09/23/2019 10:02:14 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant.)
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To: z3n

“Whistle-blowers should not be doxed.”

Let me say it loud so you will understand: He, she, it IS NOT A WHISTLEBLOWER!

They in no way, shape or form fall under the auspices of “whistleblower” period.

They are a spy or a leaker or worse and should be referred to as such.

Clear enough?


45 posted on 09/23/2019 10:09:41 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: z3n

I have to step in here. While you are correct about doxxing, you don’t get to be a whistle blower without first hand information and/or original documentation. This person has neither.

Without this level of certainty, you are merely passing along a rumour and may unwittingly be passing along fake information. For all parties in a situation like this what is required is full disclosure, names of people making statements and documentation as to what has been said.

Expert witnesses need to explain the significance of anything that the general public needs full context for.

This exercise is closer to junk than a valid concern.


51 posted on 09/23/2019 10:19:18 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (retired aerospace engineer and CSP who also taught)
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To: z3n

Who said Trump wants him doxed? HE wants to know who it is. The accused is entitled to FACE his accuser!


55 posted on 09/23/2019 11:04:03 AM PDT by Tucker39 ("It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible." George Washington)
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To: z3n

So you think Trump should have to endure governing in the certain knowledge that there are spies in his inner circle?


58 posted on 09/23/2019 11:07:19 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: z3n

I expect POTUS knows more about this than we do, and probably knows how the “complaint” originated. Doubtful it was a legitimate “whistleblower”.

JMHO


60 posted on 09/23/2019 11:15:14 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: z3n

First, the information could only be obtained by a spy and it would be illegal for the spy to listen in on US citizens.

Second, the President is exempt from the whistleblower law.

Third, the spy must be a double agent to disclose this.

Fourth, the person filing the complaint heard of second hand. Whistleblower status is for first hand info only.

Finally, what Trump did was not illegal. What Biden did was illegal.


61 posted on 09/23/2019 11:34:30 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: z3n

The “whistle blower” is not a “whistle blower”. The whistle blower statute does not apply to actions of the president. This person is a criminal.


62 posted on 09/23/2019 12:18:53 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping List)
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