I just observed a $100 million project collapse and terminate because they could not find competent IT workers. Money was not the problem. They tried for 15 months to find competent people.
In the US?
That’s a lie.
I thought you free market capitalism at any cost characters left the board for good.
At least have the balls to say “we need Indian workers” and not pussyfoot around it like a kid
Ever the apologist for the Cheap Labor Express.
Do they pay you?
I’ve worked with a bunch of Indian programmers (Java), I was not impressed at all. One Chinese woman I worked with was good, all of other nonAmericans were so-so to piss poor. If I were looking to hire IT, I’d hire USA.
Thank you for the elucidation.
Do you know why your company cannot find competent IT workers resulting in project collapse??
This is straight from the horses mouth. I have an IT Masters degree with a 4.0 GPA and experience. I know 30 plus software languages and I lead software teams.
People like me have smartly left long ago to better pay off a house. It is the smartest change in my life. It worked.
If I had stayed in software, I would have been homeless, and unemployed trying to compete with foreign Indians at 1/3 the income.
After training our Indian replacements, also called Replacement Migration, I never went back.
In economics, it is called unintended, perverse consequences. If you trade with slaves, you must become a slave. You can be the best cotton harvester, but if you compete directly with legalized slaves, you must also wear chains.
Leading a team of Indian migrant H-1B workers (aka slaves), is the nearly only way to survive commercial software development as an occupation. But Indians are tribal, and it may be short lived.
There can be exceptions, such as a part time hobby, but software is a poor way to pay off a mortgage. Software is a project institution. The work is good temporary money, but like a plumbing project, it ends quickly, while the mortgage remains.
The only real full time software occupations are in government or defense, not commercial.
I and others, would only do software as part time work. It is awesome as temporary, part time work. But software is no long term career.
Tell your children to walkaway from STEM careers. You compete at 1/3 the salary, with fake skills on fake resumes, seeking fake jobs, only written to satisfy government paperwork to hire Indian foreigners, learned at fake but well known Universities.
3/4ths of Silicon Valley workers are foreigners with few societal rights and fewer family rights. Is that what you want for your children when they can simply be a stable automobile mechanic?
The cheap labor, Republican Chamber of Commerce is addicted to foreign labor. Like all addictions, it is regressive.
If one raises the salary offers high enough, usually there will be more American applicants.
Now in my company, we have a really hard time getting engineers from north America to do the job we do. And we pay very well. Lot of people here, it seems, simply do not want to travel for work. But we are in a fairly small and limited niche.
Beg to differ. Are you sure you or your agent was offering market rate? American market rate?
You pay and they will come, that is business.
Spintreebob,
How much were they willing to pay the IT workers?
There are people in their late 40s and 50s who are unemployed and underemployed...They are here on FR, IT people who cannot find good IT work...Can’t get past the Taleo firewalls...or expected to work for peanuts...
A couple years ago, my spouse, who has PhD with background in stats, was looking to return to work after taking early retirement...Wanted to do stats in a different sector ...Had a lot of trouble finding someone who would give a chance...ageism boosted by cheap foreign labor...First offer was an Indian placement firm offering insultingly low offer...
Fast forward to Trump economy now, happily doing the stats...Interesting fact #1 works with many Indians located here and in India...Interesting fact #2...told me managers working from India are making 30,000 to do work that would pay much much more here...
So are firms considering older workers, and are they paying competitive wages?
One more thought, seems IT takes both sides of the argument...They can’t find qualified people...but they can find them in India...
And while they say they cannot find qualified workers here, they are hiring hundreds or more of H-1B cheap-labor express workers who are often being trained by the older IT workers here in US who they are replacing...
Does not ring true to me...
I don’t think US should be supporting Indian and Chinese economies which is what we are doing...