Posted on 09/20/2019 2:08:53 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
Abdullah said most of his orders came from Peshawar, a city in Pakistan where many Afghan Taliban commanders still live and are educated, and a short drive about two hours on well-paved roads from Bati Kot.
It was the health facility explosion, in which several workers were injured and a much-needed clinic being built was left in rubble, that made him rethink his role.
Before giving orders to destroy it, I went to have a look. I saw the construction workers. They were laboring away in the hot sun, stacking heavy bricks. We desperately needed healthcare at that time and were in the process of getting it. The explosion leveled it all.
For Abdullah, things changed from there on. The bombing didnt sit well with him, and he traveled to Peshawar soon after, trying to meet his commanders to officially resign from the Taliban.
I was beaten and sent to prison for three months, he remembered, saying he only made it out by promising that he would take up the fight again. In return, the Taliban promised a higher salary; $320 or 50,000 Pakistani rupees, the currency predominantly used in Nangarhar, a province bordering the Durand Line between the two countries.
Yet Abdullah had made up his mind.
My hope was for jihad, but I was wrong for 15 years. I knew I needed to leave at all costs. The Taliban was using Islams name, but thats not what they were fighting for. Many orders came straight from Pakistan, and I realized they were destroying Afghanistan.
In the middle of a clear starry night, he fled Bati Kot in a red Toyota Corolla, a friend behind the wheel. His family followed soon after and, since the escape, they have been on the run.
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Well, to paraphrase Golda Meir, until the Islamofascists love their children more than they hate the West, nothing will change. Yes, there will be one or two defectors from the “cause”, but for young, uneducated males in that part of the world, ‘jihad’ makes them “men” and gives them a purpose, and a sense of power.
[for young, uneducated males in that part of the world, jihad makes them men and gives them a purpose, and a sense of power.]
https://www.cbo.gov/system/files?file=2018-10/54219-oco_spending.pdf
IF counter insurgency is making inroads, that’s one thing, but I haven’t seen much talk of that on the military blogs I read. I agree total war is horrendous, but it has the salutary effect of winning outright and sends a message to others.
WTF is wrong with these vermin that they can't let even the most benign thing survive?
LA Times, NY Times, always beginning with some rambling, wayward irrelevant story. They cannot just briefly just say the point.
Blah blah blah, I have no time for blah blah.
[I agree total war is horrendous, but it has the salutary effect of winning outright and sends a message to others.]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thebes#Destruction_of_Thebes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_campaign_of_Alexander_the_Great#Cophen_Campaign
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Gaza#Consequences_of_the_siege
https://www.livius.org/sources/content/diodorus/alexander-sacks-persepolis/
Columbia fought a 50-year counterinsurgency campaign. It wasn’t high-intensity and only hundreds of thousands were killed, out of a current population of 50m, less than 1% of the total number. Whereas Germany lost 10% of its population during WWII. The idea that we shouldn’t do counterinsurgency because it takes a long time is like saying we shouldn’t fight crime because it’s a never-ending effort.
[Aside from the fact that savages gotta be savages, why would anyone blow up a healthcare clinic?]
[Aside from the fact that savages gotta be savages, why would anyone blow up a healthcare clinic?]
Good job, LA Times. Describe the friends car. Why?
I wasn’t linking the two in an either/or scenario, just making comments. The Afghans are largely uneducated, the exception being perhaps the “elites” in Kabul. In the 1960’s, the women there wore skirts and went to college. I imagine that the uneducated out bred them and when radical islam made a comeback in Iran and elsewhere, it was only a matter of time before they made their presence felt. The Soviet Invasion was an impetus. I’m also thinking of Erdogan in Turkey. The secular Turks are being outnumbered by the more religious.
Surely you are not equating the Taliban and their war fighting ability with Germany which at the beginning of WWII had a modern army, navy, air force and most importantly, a well developed industrial base. The power imbalance between the Taliban and United States is much greater than between the US and Iraq during the first Gulf War.
[Surely you are not equating the Taliban and their war fighting ability with Germany which at the beginning of WWII had a modern army, navy, air force and most importantly, a well developed industrial base.]
* It wouldn’t even have to be the entire population. Alexander needed to live off the locals. He killed masses of people as an example to the survivors, and the rest fell into line in order to be allowed to continue existing.
Germany’s docility after the war was probably in part because we had killed, collectively, about 10% of its population, most of them fighting age men. If, after 9/11, we had killed 4m fighting age male Pashtuns, I suspect the country would be mostly pacified today.
Alexander is an excellent example to make an excellent point!
But, practiically not very helpful.
There’s been a few thousand years of advance in counter-insurgency tactics. It’s not just a matter of mores, but success. As you say it takes a little longer.
Typical of today’s mehod is the yrian/Russian “descrimanate” (barely) bombing of rebel areas.
[Theres been a few thousand years of advance in counter-insurgency tactics. Its not just a matter of mores, but success. ]
https://www.livius.org/sources/content/diodorus/alexander-sacks-persepolis/
Vietnam is a good example of the success of “newer” tactics.
We “lost”, but today they are an ally.
Compare to ME where “Alexandrian” tactics are used and they never make peace with one another.
(Must point out that “insurgency” tatics have evolved in the cuuple thousand years since Alexander too...)
Hard call: do you want a friend in a generation, or a dead enemy now?
They have to do something to earn their money.
[Compare to ME where Alexandrian tactics are used and they never make peace with one another.]
Now, if the Sunnis had won, hundreds of thousands of non-Sunnis would probably lie in mass graves. So it’s possible to rationalize some of the draconian things he is doing now - he is fighting for the lives of the Alawites who, unlike him, can’t leave in the event of defeat. But the likelihood is that absent the possibility of outside intervention, if he had done a Hama-style massacre in every locale he pacified, Syria would be at peace today. Even though that fell far short of Alexander’s massacre of every male inhabitant, it brought decades of peace from Islamist radicals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Hama_massacre
But he’s not at liberty to do this today, given the possibility of Western intervention.
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