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1 posted on 09/20/2019 10:53:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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free trade? mutual residency??


2 posted on 09/20/2019 10:58:35 AM PDT by SteveH (intentionally blank)
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The author is clueless about British law. Parliament can't force a Prime Minister to do anything. It can only fire him if he doesn't do what Parliament wants. And Parliament won't do that to Prime Minister Johnson because they know he will win the ensuing election and many of them will lose their seats in Parliament. Plus Brexit will happen anyway.

All Johnson has to do is NOTHING and the UK will leave the EU automatically on October 31.

The author doesn't understand the meaning of "automatically" either.

3 posted on 09/20/2019 11:10:06 AM PDT by Thud
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I believe he is legally bound to ask for the extension.

I believe every other country in the EU must agree to grant such an extension.

Granting an extension would be pointless unless the EU improves upon the May “deal”, which no sane UK MP would want to vote into law.

I have posted a proposed deal here and e-mailed it to two Conservative MPs.


4 posted on 09/20/2019 11:10:14 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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UK INDEPENDENCE

The UK shall be legally independent of the EU, except via this agreement, and its successors, effective 1 November 2019.

Except as clearly and self-evidently provided by any international treaty in which many non-EU nations and the UK are bound by, the courts of the UK shall be the sole courts having judicial power in the UK and over the governments of the UK, effective 1 November 2019.

ECONOMIC STABILITY PROVISIONS

Proper UK/EU certifications to EU/UK law shall be valid, unless related EU/UK law is changed.

UK/EU products and services shall be treated as per existing rules, unless related EU/UK law is changed.

UK/EU products and services shall not be discriminated against by the EU/UK, without a notice period of at least two years.

UK/EU LEGAL HARMONIZATION

The UK shall have the right but not the duty to adopt and promulgate EU originated rules and laws, in whole or in part, provided it pays an annual sum of 500,000,000 pounds to the EU.

Existing EU law shall continue to be in force in the UK, except as provided by this agreement and legislation, effective no earlier than 1 November 2019, of the government of the UK, in harmony with this agreement.

Existing EU/UK legal decisions shall continue in force in the UK/EU, except as they might/would be in conflict with this agreement.

UK BREXIT LEGISLATION

Governments of the UK may pass Brexit legislation to be effective 1 November 2019, or thereafter, in harmony with this agreement.

RECIPROCAL RIGHT to WORK and PARTICIPATE in ASSOCIATED HEALTH CARE SCHEMES

Current EU citizens may work and live with their nuclear family in the UK, conditioned on full mutual reciprocity for current UK citizens, by EU member nation, as per 1 March 2019 law, until further notice under a national law of the UK or EU member nation, to be bilaterally effective after four years, which shall not be given earlier than 2026.

All such participating foreign EU/UK workers and their legally dependent children living with them shall be able/required to participate in the associated health care schemes to the same extant and on the same basis as resident nationals, unless related EU/UK law is changed.

RESIDENTAL RIGHTS

Each EU/UK citizen and their offspring can continue to reside in, and own, and legally transfer their existing UK/EU property/properties, without undue legal discrimination as to regulation, taxation and tax-supported schooling below the university level, as long as they do so in a lawful manner that is respectful of the social order, which may be clarified by national law.

Begging, intimidating solicitation, rough sleeping, illegal housing overcrowding, tax evasion, repeated/criminal fare evasion, rowdiness and public intoxication may legally be considered disrespectful of the social order.

UK WELFARE for EU CITIZENS

Effective immediately, EU newcomers to the UK shall not be entitled by any UK agreement with the EU to get welfare, such as housing benefits or new student loans.

UK welfare for all EU citizens in the UK, not having UK citizenship, by any UK agreement with the EU, ends 31 December 2019.

EU WELFARE for UK CITIZENS

Effective immediately, UK newcomers to other EU nations shall not be entitled by any EU agreement with the UK to get welfare, such as housing benefits or new student loans.

EU national/regional/local government welfare for UK citizens residing in the EU may be terminated by law effective 1 November 2019, or thereafter.

AGRICULTURAL AID

The provision of agricultural aid with respect to the United Kingdom shall, subject to WTO rules, be a matter of UK legislation and UK funding effective 1 November 2019.

IRISH MATTERS

The customs services of Republic of Ireland and the UK shall collect and forward appropriate customs revenue for items destined for their counterpart’s territory.

Border security along the border of the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland shall be a matter under the control of their national governments, subject to agreements between their national governments.

EUROPEAN HEALTH INSURANCE CARD (EHIC) SCHEME

The EHIC traveler health care cost reimbursement scheme shall continue with respect to UK/EU and their citizens, until six-months notice by either the UK or EU.

EUROPEAN MEDICINES AGENCY

The UK government shall have reasonable budgeting authority over and pay the costs of the European Medicines Agency after 2019 as long as the European Union accepts its existing authority and it is mainly based in the UK.

AIRBUS PROGRAMME

The Airbus programme shall generally be continued along existing lines, insomuch as is reasonable to do so, until further notice by the UK/EU.

UK EU GOVERNMENTAL EMPLOYEES

UK EU governmental employees may be terminated by EU with written proof and may then apply for UK Job Seekers Allowance with that proof.

UK EU governmental retirees shall lose EU government paid benefits effective 1 November 2019 and shall be made eligible for comparable UK government paid retirement benefits, subject to partial/complete harmonization with that of comparable UK governmental retirees, per UK law.

UK EU LEGISLATIVE PARTICIPATION

The UK, its citizens and its legal entities shall not have legislative participation rights or privileges in EU government effective 1 November 2019.

The UK legislative representatives in EU government shall surrender EU government property, including identification badges and keys, to the EU government and vacate EU legislative premises before 1 November 2019.

EU->UK REBATE

There shall be no EU to UK rebate with respect to 2019.


5 posted on 09/20/2019 11:13:22 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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It is my understanding that the “£39 billion” would merely be for a one-year continuation of the status quo.


6 posted on 09/20/2019 11:16:52 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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As for an Irish backstop, it’s not needed:
1. The correct VAT payments for new cars sold in Londonderry, Northern Ireland and Dublin, Republic of Ireland, are already being paid. Getting the tariff amounts right should not be difficult for Toyota and other car makers.
2. When a car is registered in the Republic of Ireland, Ireland can check to see if the right tariff has been paid
3. Wireless carriers in the Republic could verify that the right tariffs have been paid on the customers’ Iphones if the Republic’s law so requires.
4. The Northern Ireland/Republic of Ireland border doesn’t have dense population areas on both sides that are near each other.
5. No sane Irish person is going to spend 20 Euros on petrol to save two pounds in tariff costs on cheaper stuff.
6. Northern Irish farmers are going to comply with EU law to ensure their products are saleable in the EU, even if UK law doesn’t require it.
7. UK Parliament will not vote to put its farmers at a disadvantage because the Conservative Party depends on rural voters and because urban Labour Party MPs are pro-EU.


8 posted on 09/20/2019 11:36:38 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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most of the msm presumes that johnson has no volition in the matter whether or not to propose to the EU another extension on or soon after Oct. 19. that is 12 days before the Oct. 31 brexit hard exit date.

assuming for the moment that johnson has no volition, then what could happen?

1. he could send a proposal via courier. however the courier could take the long way to brussels— for example, by sled dog across antarctica. in that perilous journey, anything could happen. for example, the papers could get blown away in the wind or needed for emergency fuel to boil water.

2. let’s say that johnson flat out refuses to send anything to brussels. then presumably the monarchy could have johnson arrested. what if johnson is already in brussels? the uk would have to extradite him, which would take time. alternatively, johnson could stay in the uk and be arrested. then what if? johnson’s case enters the uk criminal justice system. but johnson is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. can johnson still be PM? i see nothing preventing it, unless parliament holds elections, which parliament already seems not inclined to do. even if parliament holds elections that process takes several weeks. if johnson is tried before a jury, the jury still has to vote to convict, and there is almost guaranteed to be some jury members who would object to conviction on the basis that it is a politically motivated sham. at the worst, johnson’s trial would instigate a civil war and possibly even threaten the monarchy.

so, how would these possibilities play out in real life?


25 posted on 09/21/2019 4:48:09 PM PDT by SteveH (intentionally blank)
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