Posted on 09/10/2019 9:02:18 AM PDT by janetjanet998
Trump says he fired national security advisor John Bolton
Actually, you are correct.
Why are our men and women still overseas dying? If he did indeed care about American lives, he would have pushed Bush to annihilate them, then bring us all back home in a couple years. Instead, we're still dying for some camel jockeys, and they still have their opium fields.
What? He told them to suicide bomb US servicemen and civilians? If he screwed up the meeting like he should have, it would never have been scheduled.
Well, anyway, Trump said “they’re dead”. Is he talking about the talks, or the Talibanis?
We'll be able to do that after the Second Coming; not likely before. Too rational and humane for today's hate-world.
Good to see you on FR, buddy!
So you think it is good that we supplied arms to both sides in a bloodbath of a war?
The bloodlust with some here is stunning.
Meanwhile our Constitution is under serious threat by the same people who gave us many of these wars.
I wasn't referring to his supposed negotiaton with the Taliban, but rather to his overall foreign relations view. I don't believe his foreign relations policy was an empty campaign promise, if that's what you are implying; but rather a sincere position. I don't believe he relishes the idea of a war at all. But I do think having faith in negotiations may be misplaced with the Taliban, if in fact it was a real offer and not a stratgic feint, at which he is a past master.
The point, which seems to have escaped you, is that in today’s world, “translations” are about as trustworthy as “pee dossiers”.
” I don’t believe his foreign relations policy was an empty campaign promise, if that’s what you are implying”
That - his general foreign relations policy - is not what I am referring to.
I was specifically referring to Afghanistan and the Taliban.
I was suggesting the opposite of an “empty” campaign promise, with regard to Afghanistan and the Taliban, and further having a concern that he might keep the campaign pledge - to pull the troops out of Afghanistan - on a deal, any deal with the Taliban, just to, politically, keep that pledge, bad deal or not.
Yes, I think presidents of both parties get infected with a virus, a virus that puts their reach for a legacy, usually a “diplomatic” legacy as of greater priority than whether not the diplomatic deal is in our long term interest. I think that virus is bipartisan. Yes, it has “good intentions” but it also has personal ambition, and presidents are human, not saints.
“So you think it is good that we supplied arms to both sides in a bloodbath of a war?”
Do I think it was good for us and for the Middle East that the Iran-Iraq war ended in a stalemate, with no great territorial victory for either side? Yes.
The support we did supply, when - at the point we did supply it - helped keep either side from getting an overwhelming advantage. We had no gain in it going on. We hoped they’d see the futility of continuing and quit, which they finally did. That they continued as long as they did was not our goal, nor our doing, nor the basis of any help we gave either side, when we gave it. We wanted them to end in stalemate seeing the war was going to gain them nothing. That’s what happened.
“But those frustration do not universally produce a demand from all our troops that we quit and leave our fallen unrewarded for their sacrifice.”
It may not be universal, but it’s an overwhelming majority.
And you know that.
“It may not be universal, but it’s an overwhelming majority.
And you know that.”
No.
Good point
Tucker, rhymes with ________, Carlson is gloating.
Yep.
It’s not surrendering to the Taliban.
It’s far more complicated than that.
We still have the option of blowing them up if they get stronger and present good targets
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