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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

I am betting on murder suicide arson.


5 posted on 09/06/2019 10:31:10 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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Smoking grass or mainlining, and fire started, accelerants in the vicinity caught fire.


9 posted on 09/06/2019 10:35:00 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Zhang Fei
I am betting on murder suicide arson.

Could be. I'm betting that one of the lithium batteries ignited while on the charger overnight.

I posted this on another thread, but it bears repeating here. (See: Once the fire started, it was too late for many on board the Conception)


When a LIPO goes up, it happens very quickly and without warning. It's a very hot burning, hard to extinguish fire that puts out dense clouds of toxic white smoke. It's possible that, even with a watch occurring on schedule, the fire could start and quickly get out of control. I'm talking seconds here, not minutes. So, even if the E exit weren't blocked, the odds of the passengers finding their way out would be almost impossible, especially with panic setting in.

Here's the real danger in a situation like that. As I wrote, consumer-grade LIPOs have the protection circuit. The packs w/o the circuit are considered hobby-grade. You can charge hobby-grade LIPOs without the circuit, but it requires the use of a smart charger. This could be in the form of a human being, as was the case in the early days of R/C model LIPO usage. (circa-2000) Or, you can use a smart charger that monitors all the cell voltages and adjusts input to each cell accordingly. There are no consumer-grade smart chargers.

Since consumer-grade LIPOs have the protection circuit, the charger can be a dumb charger that simply uses a pre-determined schedule to charge the batteries. This is what all modern consumer-grade electronic devices use.

Here's the catch. If you use a hobby-grade LIPO with a modern dumb charger, it almost guarantees that, at some point, you'll have a LIPO conflagration due to cell imbalance. Here's the double catch. There is no way to visually distinguish a good LIPO that has the circuit from the cheap chicom knock-off w/o the circuit.

13 posted on 09/06/2019 10:41:10 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: Zhang Fei

The crewmen talking about it were saying it’s was believed that a charge area where everyone plugs in their phones, tablets etc caused the initial fire. A defective lithium battery.


22 posted on 09/06/2019 10:47:22 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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I don’t think so at all.


24 posted on 09/06/2019 10:49:44 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: Zhang Fei

Hi.

“I am betting on murder suicide arson.”

Did any of the passengers know the Clintons?

5.56mm


49 posted on 09/06/2019 11:10:57 AM PDT by M Kehoe (DRAIN THE SWAMP! BUILD THE WALL!)
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To: Zhang Fei
I am betting on murder suicide arson.

There was an article that said that there was a couple of power strips in the galley where all the passengers could charge their cell phones and camera batteries. I'm betting a cellphone battery overheated and set the other phones off. The heat generated from the lithium ion batteries on fire would soon have the whole galley in flames.

54 posted on 09/06/2019 11:15:17 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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I am betting on charging lithium battery brought on by one of the divers, I had one of those damn things catch fire on my kitchen table charging in a power strip scared the crap out of me, I have a fire extinguisher in my kitchen HOWEVER if I had not been home or in the back of the house who knows!! I now charge ALL lithium batteries OUTSIDE in the backyard at least 5 ft. from outside walls!!! When charging my iPad the charging plug gets EXTREMELY HOT, I am getting that it was a faulty lithium battery from someone’s camera or other device!!! VERY, VERY, SAD all around!!! This vessel was built long before we had lithium batteries charging every damn thing we touch!!!


97 posted on 09/06/2019 12:30:20 PM PDT by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: Zhang Fei
I am betting on murder suicide arson.

Charging Lithium batteries burning like white hot phosphorous grenades.

113 posted on 09/06/2019 3:34:54 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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