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To: RandFan

I actually think the “red flag” concept, if done right, is a solution that could actually work to avoid these sorts of things. Of course, it would have to include safeguards that:
1. Apply stiff penalties to anyone who tries to frivolously red flag someone.
2. Still put the burden of proof on those supporting the removal of guns from the person flagged.
3. As Rand said, it is only temporary until the person gets their “day in court” to make it permanent or long term.

One of the strengths of this concept is that it is not a blanket law. It only affects individuals that allegedly cross a line.


10 posted on 08/13/2019 11:39:07 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We're living in Dr. Zhivago but without the love triangle)
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To: cuban leaf

We saw what happened with FISA.....


14 posted on 08/13/2019 11:41:13 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs
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To: cuban leaf

If they are so dangerous why not commit them?

So you take away the guns and they run a car up a curb or jump off a bridge.

The only red flag here is that the law is focused on the gun not the person.


18 posted on 08/13/2019 11:44:24 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: cuban leaf

[[2. Still put the burden of proof on those supporting the removal of guns from the person flagged.]]

Nope- when someone wants to frame someone, they will invent ‘evidence’ against the person- too many innocent peopel will be jailed, then labelled a felon

The red flag laws can not work- we already have laws that designate truly mentally ill people too dangerous to own guns, but the standard is much higher now- once red flag laws get enacted, this standard of proof will be lowered- a lot- democrats are out to confiscate guns AND turn law abiding citizens into felons-

3: As Rand said, it is only temporary until the person gets their “day in court” to make it permanent or long term.

Many people can’t afford competent representation-


20 posted on 08/13/2019 11:45:09 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: cuban leaf

What the problem is with the 48 hr red flag law is gun owners simply do not trust the US or state governments to abide by the law and fully expect it to be abused by these entities. Why? FISA court abuses and enough lies from the US government the last 70 yrs. for Pinocchio’s nose to be in the Andromeda galaxy if he worked for them.

It all boils down to no one trusts the US government to follow the law, wonder why.


71 posted on 08/13/2019 12:18:25 PM PDT by sarge83
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To: cuban leaf

It would need 400 pages of description of what a red flag is. Otherwise we are getting into subjectivity.

I’d prefer to ignore the guns and do red flags on the actual person who is shown to be disassociated from life or sanity in such a way that threatens himself or his community.


84 posted on 08/13/2019 12:29:40 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: cuban leaf
One of the strengths of this concept is that it is not a blanket law. It only affects individuals that allegedly cross a line.

And who determines where that "alleged" line is?

118 posted on 08/13/2019 4:26:52 PM PDT by Windflier (Torches and pitchforks ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: cuban leaf

But the line will always move, and just lmao if you think the leftists will respect any “safeguards.”


129 posted on 08/14/2019 6:31:28 AM PDT by TarasBulbous
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To: cuban leaf

[[3. As Rand said, it is only temporary until the person gets their “day in court” to make it permanent or long term.]]

Who pays for the thousands in lawyer bills for a BS claim against the accused?


133 posted on 08/14/2019 7:07:40 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (There's a stairway to heaven, but there's a highway to hell.)
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