Posted on 08/13/2019 9:01:08 AM PDT by Yossarian
“We would like to make it clear to the very small group of unscrupulous and violent criminals and the dirty forces behind them: Those who play with fire will perish by it,” one Chinese official said on Wednesday, according to The Associated Press. “Don’t ever misjudge the situation and mistake our restraint for weakness.”
The Chinese have no compunction whatsoever with killing 1 million of their own should it be necessary to achieve their political aims.
Or 10 million.
They’ve done it before, and more.
True.
And damned ballsey.
Give me liberty, or give me death!
“Taiwan is watching this very closely. They need nukes so badly to keep China from overwhelming them one day, too.”
I don’t know for sure, but I’ve heard from so many sources that they have nukes.
Hong Kong protesters waving American flags and signing The Star Spangled Banner. as they face armed Chinese...while a spoiled American fencer KNEELS during the national anthem on foreign soil.
Shaking my damn head.
“Support is ubiquitous.”
Large yes, but not ubiquitous. If only that were true.
The bad news is so many of the decision makers in Hong are of older generations and for them the emphasis is on doing business and social stability. The good news is that it is the younger generations (a majority of them) in Hong that more frequently identify with Hong Kong and not as “Chinese” in the Chinese nationalist sense. The other bad news - it all likely does not matter. The dictatorship will have its way, sooner or later, and there will be no active political opposition left operating. That is not my desire or hope, but I believe it to be the sad reality.
That is why I say, after Tiananmen Square II is over, offer U.S. green cards to all Hong Kong registered citizens.
What is the population of HK? No thanks.
I think the best we can hope for is that the HK protestors don’t get wiped out and continue to erode the authority of the Chinese regime. The Red Chinese know they are thugs and their authority can come undone quickly if freedom is experienced. A revolution from within would be the best of all worlds.
“What is the population of HK?”
Proportionately more self-employed, entrepreneurs, highly educated per each 100,000 people than most places in the world. Unlike some they would not arrive needing welfare and other handouts. They’d easily get work (English is in common use in Hong Kong) and/or make a company to provide a product or service IN THE U.S. economy.
We could probably end the H1B visas for a decade.
That’s all well and good but doesn’t mean we want them all here. My hope is HK becomes an internal source of unrest and freedom for China.
Part 3, actually. The first massacre occurred in 1919. Can a Hong Kong resident stand in the path of a tank? We may see.
“My hope is HK becomes an internal source of unrest and freedom for China.”
I share such a dream, but I understand the reality - the mainland Chinese are already too indoctrinated. Public opinion in the mainland is not supportive of the Hong Kongers. They have been conditioned to think their current economic gains could ONLY have been achieved by the dictatorship, so “don’t rock the boat”. When Tiananmen Square II comes there will not be any major protests against it in mainland China. Even our own technologists have been helping the dictatorship secure the tools of indoctrination and control. The Internet serves them and is highly censored to keep most mainlanders away from views the dictatorship wants hidden or crushed. They have been told to stick to making money and leave everything to the dictators - and they do.
Yes I’m sure you’re right. An uphill struggle for sure.
Hong Kong is a beautiful city with wonderful people. Beijing would do well to leave it alone.
I have long said we should not be doing business with China, enriching them at our expense, educating their citizens, letting them spy on us, steal our intellectual property. At the end of the day, we've empowered our enemy.
So, do we go to war over Hong Kong? No way, not our concern. But, maybe we pair this with the fact that China is our enemy and we cut them off? Freeze their funds, tariff their products maybe, but may look to ban them where they hurt them the most, hurt us the least. And then aggressive work with US companies to relocate to the US, to start up new operations in the US. China should be treated no different than Iran or North Korea. We need the guts to do it.
Otherwise Mao was right, we are a paper tiger.
Are you crazy?! No way!!! We need to stop importing millions of people from around the world. Chinese, Indians, and Mexicans do not assimilate, they do not believe in our country, we don't need them. If they don't like their circumstance, let them stay home and fix it.
“Chinese, Indians”
Sorry, but a majority of Chinese and Indian immigrants do assimilate in our communities. I think I see more Chinese/Asian-”white” marriages, both ways, than do I see “black-white” couples. Most Asian immigrants who do not come on H1B visas, but on the stand-in-line-and-wait-your-turn visas assimilate far more than do many “Latinos”. They are also generally better educated and more self-reliant.
AOC approves.
They assimilate? No they don’t, most do not. And either way, we do not need them, send them home, let them stay home.
Good post, PG. The vandalism at the airport is exactly the type of behaviour that goes against Hong Kong values. It won’t have large scale support. And despite all their complaints, the protesters have not been treated brutally by the HK police. One woman had her eye injured, by a soft pellet gun. They make this a rallying call, but the Yellow Vests in France have experienced much worse.
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