National Conservatism

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[goldstategop]

he return of nationalism has created a much-discussed “crisis of conservatism” that may be unprecedented since modern Anglo-American conservatism was formulated by Russell Kirk, William Buckley, and their colleagues in the 1950s. At the heart of this crisis is a question: Is the new American and British nationalism a hostile usurper that has arrived on the scene to displace political conservatism? Or is nationalism an essential, if neglected, part of the Anglo-American conservative tradition at its best?

The conference on “National Conservatism” will bring together public figures, journalists, scholars, and students who understand that the past and future of conservatism are inextricably tied to the idea of the nation, to the principle of national independence, and to the revival of the unique national traditions that alone have the power to bind a people together and bring about their flourishing.

[goldstategop]

The upcoming conference on national conservatism seeks way to revitalize conservatism by reviving Burkean conservatism and contrasting it with the reigning Lockean liberalism dominant in American thought. It seeks to uphold the idea that the independent nation-state is the best means of conserving traditional values within a conservative framework in the modern world.

[Macoozie]

Are you an American (Britain, etc . . . ) first?
or a Conservative first?

easy enough to answer.

Next question.

[Pelham]

“Or is nationalism an essential, if neglected, part of the Anglo-American conservative tradition at its best?”

Anyone who can ask that question must never have read much Russell Kirk.

[nathanbedford]

I see no reference in this initial release to constitutional conservatism.

I know what constitutional conservatism is and when I am in doubt I can read the document and even some of the cases that explicate the document and I have an idea of what this brand of conservatism is all about.

But when I read about national conservatism I have no idea what that means except, my country right or wrong? Or, all for King and country? This is not to knock nationalism and certainly not patriotism, it is to ask, what are we talking about?

The last time we ran off defining conservatism apart from the Constitution we got something called "neoconservatism". How is that working out?

[goldstategop]

It goes back to Sir John Fortescue, John Selden and Edmund Burke.

[momincombatboots]

Christian.. o wait, that wasn’t an option. A society with a belief system that they were evolved from animals, will always behave as such. No protection for the weak n helpless.
In fact, darwinists require “struggle” aka suffering and oppression of the most vulnerable, the sick, the weak, the old.. to exist as a viable theory.

[goldstategop]

If you’ve read Yoram Hazony’s new book on nationalism, you’re up to speed on the idea our values are a part of the nation we live in and without a strong nation, those values will disappear.

The traditional family, religion, moral values, patriotism and all the rest come from our identification with country.

If we don’t need a country or borders - why be conservative?

[fatez]

I consider myself a patriot and not a nationalist. A patriot will defend their country when attacked, but also critique their country and try to reform their country when they believe the country is wrong in some area. A nationalist supports their country right or wrong.

Just my two cents...

[JonPreston]

I suggest the various strains of conservatism bring a big shovel and bury the ideology. It’s become an incomprehensible jumble of competing philosophies, none of which can be explained and sold to young people. I suggest a full embrace of nationalism, and the MAGA movement in it’s place.

[central_va]

Except modern “conservatives” don’t really believe in borders. They believe in cheap imported goods duty free ( even though our exports meet with high tariffs ) and cheap imported labor at every level of income. Koch “Conservatism” isn’t really Conservative at all.

[humblegunner]

The upcoming conference on national conservatism seeks way to revitalize conservatism

Will there be sandwiches and Cokes?

Is there a test at the end or can I get a certificate even if I bail after the first day?

[central_va]

I consider myself a patriot and not a nationalist.

Not possible. Ridiculous.

[goldstategop]

I’m a nationalist. America is the greatest country in the world and also an exceptional nation.

I believe it has a right to exist and it has a unique identity we must defend.

Our way of life is best for us and we want to conserve it and our values make us distinctively American.

Right or wrong, we’re proud to be American and want to keep it that way.

[nathanbedford]

Of course I am unfamiliar with the book, I have only been exposed to the release.

I take your meaning about the value of these virtues:

The traditional family, religion, moral values, patriotism and all the rest come from our identification with country.

But I do not know how the geographical limits of the country advances them or even identifies them? National socialism had a strong belief in the nation as such but they never shared our values.

I agree we need a nation state to be conservative but how we infill that concept with conservative values, it seems to me, are well articulated in the Constitution. The recent disgraces concerning our women's soccer team should demonstrate to all of us that there is no consensus about what those values are or should be.

If we abandon the Constitution for some amorphous notion of nationalism, we are liable to be very uncomfortable when other people, such as women's soccer players, impose their values on us.

[The Toll]

“the power to bind a people together and bring about their flourishing”

Yea, stuff like that works. For a PEOPLE. Which we are no longer.

[goldstategop]

There is liberalism and libertarianism. I dissent from both. They won’t preserve America because they seek to change it too much.

[goldstategop]

Is the United States an idea? Our Constitution was created for it and for no other country.

If America doesn’t exist, then neither does the Constitution. Nationalism
Is therefore the essence of what conservatism represents.

Limited government is possible only when people cohere in a country with a strong national identity and shared values.

Which is exactly what we don’t have in America today.

[Pecos]

"If we abandon the Constitution for some amorphous notion of nationalism, we are liable to be very uncomfortable when other people, such as women's soccer players, impose their values on us."

The Constitution is the baseline document that ties citizen obligations to government obligations. It is a contract that is readable without "benefit" of a lawyer. It is just that simple. I formally signed up to that contract when I joined the Navy, and have never renounced it. So, I guess I consider myself a constitutional patriot, defending the basic language and original intent of the Constitution.

[central_va]

If we abandon the Constitution for some amorphous notion of nationalism, we are liable to be very uncomfortable when other people, such as women's soccer players, impose their values on us."

Without Nationalism we have globalism then we will have no Constitution at all..

[cowboyusa]

1. Anerica First! 2. Limited Government.3. Equal rights for all, special privileges for none.