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France has turned into one of the worldwide threats to free speech
The Hill ^ | 07/06/19 | Jonathan Turley

Posted on 07/06/2019 8:12:39 AM PDT by yesthatjallen

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The French Parliament has moved toward a new law that would give internet companies like Facebook and Google just 24 hours to remove hateful speech from their sites or face fines of $1.4 million per violation.

What's to stop any agent provocateur (group or individual) from posting extreme content on any platform to drive a company out of business with crippling fines?

1 posted on 07/06/2019 8:12:39 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: yesthatjallen

Get it? Frog in a pot? France? Frog????

Never mind.


2 posted on 07/06/2019 8:24:36 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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What is to stop a site from ignoring the fines if the servers are not physically located in France or Germany?


3 posted on 07/06/2019 8:25:20 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Where does it say in the Constitution anyone is entitled to the property another has labored for?)
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That’s one way to stop Peepee the Toad from hopping around hollerin’ KOK! at everyone.


4 posted on 07/06/2019 8:26:26 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
...various academics have declared that hate speech is not protected by the First Amendment.
They say that because they are opposed to the First Amendment. When push comes to shove, as it finally will, either they will die on our bayonets, or they will themselves be purged, because, after all, mixing metaphors, there can only be one. Snip from 1984, published in 1949:
The story really began in the middle sixties, the period of the great purges in which the original leaders of the Revolution were wiped out once and for all. By 1970 none of them was left, except Big Brother himself. All the rest had by that time been exposed as traitors and counter-revolutionaries. Goldstein had fled and was hiding no one knew where, and of the others, a few had simply disappeared, while the majority had been executed after spectacular public trials at which they made confession of their crimes. Among the last survivors were three men named Jones, Aaronson, and Rutherford. It must have been in 1965 that these three had been arrested. As often happened, they had vanished for a year or more, so that one did not know whether they were alive or dead, and then had suddenly been brought forth to incriminate themselves in the usual way. They had confessed to intelligence with the enemy (at that date, too, the enemy was Eurasia), embezzlement of public funds, the murder of various trusted Party members, intrigues against the leadership of Big Brother which had started long before the Revolution happened, and acts of sabotage causing the death of hundreds of thousands of people. After confessing to these things they had been pardoned, reinstated in the Party, and given posts which were in fact sinecures but which sounded important. All three had written long, abject articles in the Times, analysing the reasons for their defection and promising to make amends.

Some time after their release Winston had actually seen all three of them in the Chestnut Tree Café. He remembered the sort of terrified fascination with which he had watched them out of the corner of his eye. They were men far older than himself, relics of the ancient world, almost the last great figures left over from the heroic days of the Party. The glamour of the underground struggle and the civil war still faintly clung to them. He had the feeling, though already at that time facts and dates were growing blurry, that he had known their names years earlier than he had known that of Big Brother. But also they were outlaws, enemies, untouchables, doomed with absolute certainty to extinction within a year or two. No one who had once fallen into the hands of the Thought Police ever escaped in the end. They were corpses waiting to be sent back to the grave.

5 posted on 07/06/2019 8:39:30 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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What's to stop any agent provocateur (group or individual) from posting extreme content on any platform to drive a company out of business with crippling fines?

What's to stop them from claiming your perfectly rational views are "hateful"?

6 posted on 07/06/2019 8:42:10 AM PDT by Jim Noble (1)
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Churchill predicted it, and it is coming to pass:

“[T]he whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new dark age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.”


7 posted on 07/06/2019 8:43:26 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: yesthatjallen

And Sharia marches on.


8 posted on 07/06/2019 8:44:10 AM PDT by deadrock
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9 posted on 07/06/2019 8:44:38 AM PDT by Jim Noble (1)
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It’s going to be a brave new world.


10 posted on 07/06/2019 8:47:03 AM PDT by Paladin2
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Bump


11 posted on 07/06/2019 8:48:58 AM PDT by Mark17 (With Jesus, there is more wealth in my soul, than acres of diamonds and mountains of gold.)
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What's to stop them from claiming your perfectly rational views are "hateful"?

I believe that is exactly what they plan to do.

12 posted on 07/06/2019 8:55:00 AM PDT by Mark17 (With Jesus, there is more wealth in my soul, than acres of diamonds and mountains of gold.)
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To: BenLurkin
We see the "lights of perverted science" almost fully deployed now in China where the technological control over masses is nearly absolute.

Consider the unthinkable, the issue in America becomes not whether we will have big brother censoring speech and conducting invasive observation over all of us-that will have already irrevocably occurred- the debate becomes whether that technology will be exerted on behalf of the left or of the right.

How much would you bet? Are you betting your life already?


13 posted on 07/06/2019 8:55:04 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: humblegunner
That’s one way to stop Peepee the Toad from hopping around hollerin’ KOK! at everyone.

PETA has been advised of your hate speech.


14 posted on 07/06/2019 8:55:34 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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PETA has been advised of your hate speech.

Fat lot of good that'll do.
PETA loves Peepee.


15 posted on 07/06/2019 9:01:53 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: yesthatjallen

blmrk


16 posted on 07/06/2019 9:04:02 AM PDT by morphing libertarian ( Use Comey's Report, Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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I was put into FB jail for 30 days on July 4th for posting the following comment:

“My grandparents immigrated legally in the early 20th century. I have neither sympathy nor respect for those who enter this nation illegally. They are criminal illegal aliens.”

According to Facist Book this is considered hate speech!

FYI: FB as a private company is not obligated to honor the First Amendment.


17 posted on 07/06/2019 10:04:03 AM PDT by SubVet72
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Articles 11 and 13 should have made it clear that it’s the entire EU, not just France....


18 posted on 07/06/2019 10:05:23 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds)
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To: bagster

YOU MEAN FRANKENSTAN !


19 posted on 07/06/2019 10:09:15 AM PDT by knarf
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To: yesthatjallen
In Germany, a man was arrested for having a ringtone with the voice of Hitler.

That would tend to get people's attention. I'd prefer that as a voicemail greeting to spammers, myself.

It amazes me that every time this comes up somebody asks the logical question "What is hate speech, anyway?" and it never gets answered. Yet the enthusiasm for banning it marches on in lockstep toward a new progressive future where it doesn't have to be answered because asking it is, you guessed it, hate speech.

20 posted on 07/06/2019 10:16:32 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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