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Why an Illegal Phone Search Got This Man Kicked Out of the USA
The daily bell ^ | 25may19 | By Joe Jarvis

Posted on 06/06/2019 5:38:24 AM PDT by vannrox

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To: glorgau

For Android there’s an app called AppLock that let’s you lock down every function of the phone to require a combination.

You can give an agent the wrong combo and it makes it look like the protected app has crashed instead of warning that the combo is wrong.


41 posted on 06/06/2019 7:08:26 AM PDT by Go_Raiders (The fact is, we really don't know anything. It's all guesswork and rationalization.)
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To: vannrox

I’ve had my luggage searched on domestic flights several times. The only reason I even knew about it was the TSA note left inside. I have no problem with that. If you’re a foreigner, and don’t want to be searched, don’t come into the US.


42 posted on 06/06/2019 7:18:46 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Calm down and enjoy the ride, great things are happening for our country)
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To: logi_cal869
Libertarians extend U.S. Constitutional rights to non-citizens?

That’s exactly what the left is crowing about the illegal alien invasion.

Curious...

U.S. citizens, I agree. But this guy is not a citizen.

The search authority extends equally to non-citizens and to returning U.S. citizens.

43 posted on 06/06/2019 7:21:19 AM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
"inspect and search the vessel or vehicle and every part thereof and any person, trunk, package, or cargo on board, and to this end may hail and stop such vessel or vehicle, and use all necessary force to compel compliance.”

Anyone who fails to realize that this legalizes all sorts of abuse and misuse is an unmitigated moron, and I'm ashamed to call them my fellow Americans. This is far too broad a power for any government agent of any level.

"Since someone, somewhere might want to do something bad someday, we can do whatever we want to anyone, at any time, without cause or justification, and without limit" is the excuse used by every tyrant ever. It has no place in a Just Nation.

44 posted on 06/06/2019 7:31:58 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: vannrox

“Illegal phone search,” you say?


45 posted on 06/06/2019 7:34:43 AM PDT by gogeo (Liberal politics and mental instability; coincidence, correlation, or causation?)
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To: Yo-Yo
I'm sorry, but the Libertarian in me says that these electronic searches at the border of phones, laptops, thumb drives, etc., are unconstitutional and need to end.

The "Libertarian in me" says he has no right to enter the US, period. Full stop.

Nobody's forcing him to come here.

46 posted on 06/06/2019 7:37:20 AM PDT by gogeo (Liberal politics and mental instability; coincidence, correlation, or causation?)
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To: gogeo

The libertarian in me agrees with
the libertarian in you.


47 posted on 06/06/2019 7:39:42 AM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Go_Raiders
You can give an agent the wrong combo and it makes it look like the protected app has crashed instead of warning that the combo is wrong.

Then you are going to sit in a holding cell until the agent figures it our or until Jeff at the Hyderabad help desk picks-up his call. Not a good strategy.


48 posted on 06/06/2019 8:09:03 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
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To: Teacher317
Anyone who fails to realize that this legalizes all sorts of abuse and misuse is an unmitigated moron, and I'm ashamed to call them my fellow Americans. This is far too broad a power for any government agent of any level.

I'm guessing you would be surprised to find out that it was our Founding Fathers (You know, Jefferson, Madison, Washington, etc.) who granted these sweeping powers via the Revenue Cutter Act of 1790.

Please go on about who's the unmitigated moron...

49 posted on 06/06/2019 8:53:00 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: Yo-Yo

The article is about a non-citizen and you made a statement of ending the searches.

Clarify. Or don’t.


50 posted on 06/06/2019 12:28:36 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: logi_cal869
The article is about a non-citizen and you made a statement of ending the searches.

Clarify. Or don’t.

If you have read my prior posts in this thread, I think I have clarified, but I will do so again for your benefit.

The same rules apply to returning citizens, and I don't believe that forcing someone to unlock their laptop or phone for inspection of its contents is necessary to keep the United States secure.

What will be next? You must enumerate and unlock all social media accounts to inspect them for "suspicious ties to terrorism?"

This is a direct outgrowth from the post 9/11 Patriot Act mentality where privacy rights are trampled in the name of security, when it has been shown that not a single terrorist attack has been thwarted by examining one's iPhone at a port of entry.

In this day and age, if one wants to smuggle kiddie porn or bomb making instructions into the United States, all they have to do is to put it on a server somewhere and download it when they are in the U.S.

So if the process doesn't make any difference, then why give the government the authority?

The whole process is ripe for abuse, as we are learning how the FISA courts were abused to spy on then candidate Trump.

51 posted on 06/06/2019 1:58:15 PM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: glorgau

Burner phone, burner tablet and burner email. That is how friends of mine do it when they travel to Europe.


52 posted on 06/06/2019 2:01:43 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Yo-Yo

You made a blanket statement in a comment on a thread about a non-citizen being barred entry from a search.

That is all.


53 posted on 06/06/2019 7:11:55 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: logi_cal869
You made a blanket statement in a comment on a thread about a non-citizen being barred entry from a search.

That is all.

YOU formulated an opinion, and dismissed my comments without reading the entire linked article that the snippet you are dismissing came from.

Read the fine article before you jump to conclusions based on an excerpt.

54 posted on 06/06/2019 8:12:24 PM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

You’re wrong. Read up on ICE and CBP authorities.


55 posted on 06/06/2019 8:24:19 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Yo-Yo

Maybe you ought to clarify your comments. Just like an asshat libertarian: Dictating to everyone else.


56 posted on 06/06/2019 8:32:29 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

‘There is always more to a story then what is printed. I wonder why the agents would spend hours on one individual. Perhaps they knew something we don’t.’

I agree, it’s a HUGE EFFORT to screen people in that way, and anyone who’s entered this country through a large airport immediately realizes that probably 99 percent of the people coming in are not even looked at, and that of those few who are stopped, probably 98 percent are ‘searched’ simply by putting their bags through an x-ray - it takes a lot of time to rifle through phones and gigabytes of data. While anything is possible, perhaps they’re like the IRS and TSA and look at a small number of people randomly as much to calibrate the threat they face. But our government has access to much more data than we’re aware of - and this guy, for example, may have a rap sheet in Brazil...for all we know [I wouldn’t expect a blog that’s trying to get me mad to tell me something pertinent like that, even if it were the case here].

As to legality, that’s a no-brainer - the 4th Amendment simply doesn’t apply at the borders and if it ever did, we can kiss this country goodbye [as an aside, if the leftists on the Supreme Court want this country to end tomorrow, all they need to do is extend the 4th Amendment to the border]. The fact that people now have some stuff electronic, rather than on paper doesn’t change anything, they’re still crossing the border and are still carrying materials with them - that simple. There’s no such thing as an ‘illegal’ search of someone crossing the border, and that applies to EVERY country in the world, so it’s just hype here.


57 posted on 06/06/2019 10:52:52 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

If you really are a bad guy, then yes, you are only delaying the inevitable.

If you’re only being detained because you’re being harassed by a prick of a Federal Agent, this is a perfectly effective strategy, as it will get you over his head to a supervisor. If you are polite with the supervisor and don’t have contraband or other evidence of a crime, they’re not gonna keep you in custody over a “cheap, malfunctioning phone, Sir. I only still have it cause I’m not tech savvy and I don’t know how to transfer my contacts list.”


58 posted on 06/09/2019 8:41:10 AM PDT by Go_Raiders (The fact is, we really don't know anything. It's all guesswork and rationalization.)
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