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Disaster for Brexit? SHOCK poll suggests pro-EU Lib Dems on track to WIN general election
Express ^ | 31 May 2019 | James Bickerton

Posted on 05/30/2019 9:48:46 PM PDT by Cronos

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To: Cronos


Technically the EU is opposed to globalisation

this is the big lie.

eu takes away local representatition and rules by a remote, unaccountable beauracracy, enriching itself.

I don't know if you're a bot, troll or just a basement-dwelling disruptor; what prevents you from understanding the eu is evil?


21 posted on 05/31/2019 1:02:46 AM PDT by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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To: 867V309; Cronos

Simply put, Cronos is gas-lighting fascist.


22 posted on 05/31/2019 1:07:16 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 867V309
hmmm... 1. I support individual nations like Scotland, Ireland etc. rights to choose what they want and not be dictated to by Westminster, so that makes me anti-globalist

2. Brexit isn't a question of globalism or not - it's about the UK belong to a club or not

Finally, it's the UK issue, this has no bearing on whether the USA should or should not be in a trade club - it already IS a trade club of its own (50 states) and the most powerful such trading zone in the world.

23 posted on 05/31/2019 1:10:03 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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To: Cronos

The Law of Unintended Consequences.

Also, the Bureaucratic Model...


24 posted on 05/31/2019 1:14:16 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: Cronos
hmmm... 1. I support individual nations like Scotland, Ireland etc. rights to choose what they want and not be dictated to by Westminster, so that makes me anti-globalist

the eu is committed to the loss of sovereignty of many nations.

you're not fooling anyone.


25 posted on 05/31/2019 1:15:36 AM PDT by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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To: GOP Congress
Why Communists back Brexit
communists share Clement Attlee’s visceral opposition to Euro-federalism and the surrender of our country’s sovereignty. To this we add a long history of opposition to the actually existing slash-and-burn capitalist economics that has stripped our country of productive industry and deprived generations of young people of productive skills.

It is precisely because we want an alternative to Britain’s crazily unbalanced and financialised economy that we campaigned for Britain to leave the neoliberal EU and in doing so free ourselves from the anti-union judgments of the ECJ, the restrictions on state aid to industry, the obstacles to public ownership and the drive to militarise the EU.

The EU is an irreformable instrument for impoverishing the continental periphery and the working people of each country to the benefit of a predatory class whose wealth increases with every one of capitalism’s succeeding crises.

Communists want a People’s Brexit. Unconstrained by EU treaties, single market rules and directives, a left-led Labour government could develop a worker-led industrial strategy; aid industry, invest in training, youth and jobs, social welfare, housing, education and health services; and take the transport, energy and postal service profiteers back into public ownership.

Nick Wright

Head of communications, Communist party of Britain
Don't mix this up with President Trump. Hellary may have won more % of popular votes (like Leave did) but president Trump won the Electoral college

The EU's position has been clear - you can leave whenever you want. The UK is the one keeping on asking for extensions

26 posted on 05/31/2019 1:15:41 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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To: 867V309
Are you sure you're in the right forum? Here we check before we make false statements

The EU was built, precisely, in order to fight the perils and risks that globalism brings with it. which is why it puts up so many barriers to non-EU countries to trade with the EU countries. the EU supports the role of the nation state as we see in Estonia and Ireland

Ireland has more sovereignty as an independent state in the EU than Scotland has in the UK

What part of sovereignty does this break down? Answer with facts rather than emotions

27 posted on 05/31/2019 1:19:05 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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To: rbmillerjr
hmmm? the EU puts the interests of the European nations that are part of this union, above those who are not. The EU don’t give a crap about “the world” or “the global community”. The EU will defend its very European interests to the bitter end.

It's the opposite of globalism - which is why the communists oppose it.

28 posted on 05/31/2019 1:20:32 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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To: Cronos


the EU's position has been clear - you can leave whenever you want.

another lie.

the GLOBALIST ELITES will fight eu-exit tooth and nail.

who do you think tou're fooling?


29 posted on 05/31/2019 1:21:19 AM PDT by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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To: central_va
C_Va - instead of discussing facts, you persistently publish slurs

these are Alinsky tactics on your part. Are you sure you have forgotten this is FR, not DU?

30 posted on 05/31/2019 1:21:43 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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To: 867V309
eu takes away local representatition and rules by a remote, unaccountable beauracracy, enriching itself.

It actually doesn't - individual countries in the EU have more rights than individual nations in the UK

Can you give one example from your point of view of this "taking away local representation"

Don't you even see this recent EU parliament as showing local representation? Farage in the UKIp had only 1 seat in the UK parliament but had 24 (and now 29) in the EU parliament. So arguably the EU parliament gives MORE local representation

Next, the rules are only allowed if approved unanimously by all 28 countries - that's pretty representative at the country level. And it needs to be approved by a majority of the EU parliament - at the smaller level

Break away from the false globalist statements about how this club is bad because it puts trade barriers to the world and opposes globalism

31 posted on 05/31/2019 1:29:00 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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To: 867V309
I see that you've been here since 2012, n0ob. Sigh, are you the bot?

i've been here since 2001 and see many liberals like you. The DU is a better place for posting emotions sans facts

32 posted on 05/31/2019 1:31:10 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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To: Cronos


It actually doesn't - individual countries in the EU have more rights than individual nations in the UK

Can you give one example from your point of view of this "taking away local representation"

well. how about the size and shape of imported bananas?      big news a while back because of the fascist eu rules.

eu is like a home owners association with a machine gun.


33 posted on 05/31/2019 1:35:52 AM PDT by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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To: Cronos

It only takes a minute to pick up on a fascist troll like you.


34 posted on 05/31/2019 1:38:44 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 867V309
I would suggest you read first

Let's point out the errors in just this one post of yours

1. "another lie you can leave" -- the UK was the one that asked for an put Article 50 years ago.

The UK called for Article 50 which gave a 2 year timetable to leave.

The UK could have left as it requested on March 31, 2019.

It did not -- the UK asked for an extension

The UK then asked for a further extension to October 31

At no point did the other countries ask the UK to extend - the UK has been begging to stay just a little longer, just a little longer.

As to "the globalist elites" -- Scotland voted 62% to remain - are you saying that the Scots are "globalist elites"? Heck, even in England 47% voted remain - does that mean you think that nearly half the UK's population is "globalist elite"? And what does that make folks like the Brexit party MEP Brian Monteith?

35 posted on 05/31/2019 1:40:07 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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To: Cronos

Bear in mind that the BP are frequently decried as “Nazis” and there is a lot of social bullying around being a leave voter as is typical for believing in anything right wing in many circles, which causes people to stay under the radar. Polls usually underestimate right wing sympathies.


36 posted on 05/31/2019 1:41:45 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: 867V309

Cronos is trying to redefine words which is a typical fascist tactic. The EU is globalist construct of the first order. It defines globalism. He is dangerous like the Big Brother in 1984.


37 posted on 05/31/2019 1:41:52 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Again, Mr. Alinsky - your statements ignoring the facts pointing out the error of your stance is very, very eye-opening

To argue that the 27 nations should eliminate trade barriers for England-Wales is globalist

your stance is globalist, central_va.

38 posted on 05/31/2019 1:42:06 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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To: Cronos

No one reads your fascist globalist propaganda.


39 posted on 05/31/2019 1:42:57 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cronos

The poll apparently had the Brexit Party under other.

Its a bogus poll.


40 posted on 05/31/2019 1:44:08 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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