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Did Trump fumble an uprising in Venezuela?
WP ^ | May 1, 2019 | Ishan Tharoor

Posted on 05/01/2019 9:30:59 AM PDT by NorseViking

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To: NorseViking

This ‘news article’ assumes it’s over. How does this ‘reporter’ know it’s over.


41 posted on 05/01/2019 10:08:12 AM PDT by McGruff
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I generally think with violence sparked Maduro now has semi-legit reason to put Guiado in prison and start crackdown on supporters.


42 posted on 05/01/2019 10:10:58 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: ClearCase_guy
And are they planning to be outraged if Trump invades a Latin American country?

Yes... after encouraging him, just as the dems did when Iraq went to crap.

43 posted on 05/01/2019 10:41:30 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The most urgent gathering threat to America: the Democrat Party)
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To: NorseViking

Guaidó has very little support both from the people and now with few defections the military. I hope we don’t get dragged into this mess, but unfortunately my guess would be that we will.


44 posted on 05/01/2019 10:46:06 AM PDT by jimwatx
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To: NorseViking

The genesis of the problem is that Venezuela, like Iraq, Libya, etc., announced they were going to accept payments other than US Dollars for their oil.

With $22 trillion in public debt, and trillion deficits as far as the eye can see, the USA cannot afford any real competition for the petrodollar. Our currency absolutely must maintain preeminence in global trade. US Dollar collapses, we become another Venezuela. Hyperinflation, societal breakdown, chaos.

All Caracas needs to do is affirm that they will accept only USD for their oil. Pompeo and Bolton and Trump will at that point leave them alone.


45 posted on 05/01/2019 10:49:43 AM PDT by Paulie (America without Christ is like a Chemistry book without the periodic table.)
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To: jimwatx

“” “” Guaidó has very little support both from the people and now with few defections the military. “” “”

My though exactly. He is probably recruiting defectors promising them handouts from the US.


46 posted on 05/01/2019 10:49:58 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: damper99
It looks like Maduro, with Russian and Cuban assistance, is firmly in control.

Without broad support from the populace and the military, any attempt at a forcible change in government will amount to a short-term rant and little else.

47 posted on 05/01/2019 10:50:34 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The most urgent gathering threat to America: the Democrat Party)
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To: Paulie

I think the problem exists but it is not the case in this situation. They need to think why other countries are seeking to pull plug on dollar. The dollar is really convenient and it is a hard decision for everyone so why do they all want to drop it?


48 posted on 05/01/2019 10:53:40 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

If countries can settle trade in local currencies, or gold, the USA has no ability to slap economic sanctions on them, or punish someone by stopping the movement of money withing the world banking system (SWIFT).

The USA controls the IMF and World Bank so far as I know.

Some countries want to continue to do business with whomever they want without fear the US will punish them for it.

In addition, China reportedly has plans to dominate the current and next century and make the yuan the world’s premier reserve currency. They are making progress on this by accumulating large amounts of gold bullion, and doing things like setting up an exchange to trade crude oil futures that are settled in yuan.

Small potatoes now, but after several false starts, the Shanghai exchange seems to be on solid footing.

There are other reasons, but these are some.


49 posted on 05/01/2019 11:10:35 AM PDT by Paulie (America without Christ is like a Chemistry book without the periodic table.)
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To: Paulie

“” “” If countries can settle trade in local currencies, or gold, the USA has no ability to slap economic sanctions on them, or punish someone by stopping the movement of money withing the world banking system (SWIFT).

The USA controls the IMF and World Bank so far as I know.

Some countries want to continue to do business with whomever they want without fear the US will punish them for it.”” “”

That’s the case. Other countries basically has two choices. One is to follow US dictats on how and with whom they should and should not trade. Another choice is to stay independent and trade with means outside of US jurisdiction.

What would be the right choice from a position of another country?

It is a slippery road for US because it basically stands on two things which are military power and USD.

Military power is of limited use in the era of WMD so does it worth to sacrifice USD for short term political goals?

It would cause backlash earlier than later and has a potential to downgrade US into a third world nation.

No dollar, no US power.


50 posted on 05/01/2019 11:26:27 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: bert
“History is a process, not an event” bert The process began in earnest yesterday

The US supported the Bay of Pigs until the CIA sponsored Cubans landed on the island. Kennedy withdrew air support and replenishment after they were onshore. When liberation failed the Russians put ICBM's in Cuba. Kennedy is lauded for the resolution of the missile crisis but he caused it. Now the Cuban cancer has spread and bath house Barry let it.

51 posted on 05/01/2019 1:01:53 PM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: McGruff

*** This ‘news article’ assumes it’s over. How does this ‘reporter’ know it’s over. ***

https://mobile.twitter.com/telesurenglish/status/1123676025894899721


52 posted on 05/01/2019 3:25:49 PM PDT by sockmonkey (I am an America First, not Israel First FReeper.)
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To: sockmonkey

You believe everything you are told?


53 posted on 05/01/2019 4:32:09 PM PDT by McGruff
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To: NorseViking

Democrat Tulsi Gabbard just told Martha MacCallum that we should be working with Russia!


54 posted on 05/01/2019 4:34:05 PM PDT by Brown Deer (America First!)
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*** You believe everything you are told? ***

Lol, you think those crowds were actors?

Here’s what I think. Bolton, Pompeo, Abrams want a war with Iran. A war in that region may disrupt Strait of Hormuz/shipping oil. The US wants control of Venezuelan oil in the event of that disruption.

Do I believe the US has a humanitarian interest in the citizens of Venezuela? Hell, no.

That is more or less what I think. Do I think Trump’s advisors have the best interest of Americans, and Trump’s Presidency in mind. Hell, no.


55 posted on 05/01/2019 7:29:02 PM PDT by sockmonkey (I am an America First, not Israel First FReeper.)
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To: NorseViking
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=60143&fbclid=IwAR3fsThsxjvwnk8unFZSBwb612a-D_XWgpQOZqEQ2GG-4paZUN6EO3onbCw

I personally do not have a way to vet this one but it seems obvious that there are a lot of questions to answer before US forces invade the place. Friends who study this sort of thing tell me there are no good guys in that picture and the situation is best left alone and that is probably good advice. Even if this were the one situation you'd ever see in which some form of intervention on humanitarian grounds might be justified, nobody would believe us, we've simply been to that well a number of times too many in recent years.

56 posted on 05/03/2019 1:08:31 PM PDT by ganeemead
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To: NorseViking
Got Pinochet?


57 posted on 05/03/2019 1:10:14 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Pinochet was somehow successful because he wasn’t installed via fake ‘uprising’.


58 posted on 05/03/2019 6:10:14 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

Pinochet understood that a Commie only gives up power when you put a bullet in their brain.


59 posted on 05/03/2019 6:17:04 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ganeemead

Yep. Maduro has Cubans behind him and Guaido CIA. It means that Venezuelans don’t care enough and or don’t want to take responsibility.
An idea that Guaido won the election and is the legitimate leader is questionable to say the least.
I confess that I do not have any deep knowledge of South American politics but the whole story stinks like a continuation of Obama’s regime change politics.
Listen to what they said about Syria and then it turned out that the opposition in a one guy in London making up ridiculous stories of ‘tyranny’ and supporters are a couple dozens of Syrians and the rest are foreign Al-Qaeda and ISIS terrorists.


60 posted on 05/03/2019 6:27:51 PM PDT by NorseViking
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