Posted on 04/27/2019 10:29:22 AM PDT by Perseverando
They have the power and the leisure to indulge their worst impulses.
The more frequent motivation in that was to promote fidelity by making women mot desire sex.
You are not alone.
Yes, wives are to obey their husbands (in the Lord). But that is part of obeying God.
When we keep God’s law we are obeying God.
Children are to obey their parents, citizens their government, servants their masters... ( in the Lord ) - because God has told us to.
This does not mean we are candy dishes being bought and sold. We are all protected by God’s law. The fact is sometimes people break it. But not with God’s approval, far from it.
I know that. I'm just saying that the male sex drive is a mindless and powerful force, and rather a dark one, and if they don't control it, this is what happens.
Thank you. Good night.
Thank you.
They have or acquire those impulses because there is nothing to give any meaning to their lives.They may invoke the Church to support something or to attack someone but they don’t believe any of it.They try to substitute sensation for meaning.
What is that even supposed to mean? It cannot ALL be true so none of it is?
There is a growing problem with sex exploitation, and a lot of it is out in the open. We have little boys and girls being paraded in sexualized outfits by the LGBT crowd in public shows, TV shows, parades, etc.
The left is out there screaming how these things are their rights.
And then we have people on a conservative forum who want to defend pornography and prostitution.
These are not “Constitutional rights” BTW, whatever you have been taught. Hopefully, these are not what you are referring to as being in danger.
Do you believe this issue should be important enough to suspend constitutional rights? And, you know what those rights are.
Be wary of Reichstag fires, etc.
“Would you please quit trying to put words into my mouth.”
Would you please be specific about what you mean?
You said “it all cannot be true” but provide nothing specific which is supposedly false or any basis for how we can know that it is false.
You said news of sex trafficking “can be highly hyped and exaggerated”. Can’t anything be? Couldn’t there be an even worse problem in which it is hidden and swept under the rug while innocent children suffer in silence?
You said this information / news can be “used to remove constitutional protections”.
Really? How? Be specific.
“And, you know what those rights are. Be wary of Reichstag fires, etc.”
This is from The Rutherford Institute. There motto is: “Our job is to make the government play by the rules of the Constitution.”
They in no way have advocated anything unconstitutional. Your whole premise is ridiculous and uninformed.
Read the article on which you are commenting. Here are the things they advocate:
“Educate yourselves and your children”
“Stop feeding the monster.” That is, don’t give the industry money.
And straight from the article also: “Call on your city councils, elected officials and police departments to make the battle against sex trafficking a top priority, more so even than the so-called war on terror and drugs and the militarization of law enforcement. Stop prosecuting adults for victimless ‘crimes’ such as growing lettuce in their front yard and focus on putting away the pimps and buyers who victimize these young women.”
There are literally, right now, children in cages crying in pain, IN AMERICA, who have been enslaved by pimps, pornographers, pedophiles, and Satanists,and the last thing we need is dissenters saying this is not a real problem or it is being overblown or let’s not rush into doing something foolish. If you or someone you cared about were in such a situation you would be begging God for someone—anyone—to come rescue you or your loved one.
A lot of people can’t bear that what is going on is real. It is a sick horror show. For many it is hell on earth. Those who cannot face this reality should find other matters to occupy themselves with. But what they should not do is say to themselves that they can’t take this reality so it must not be true. That’s psychosis. And further, they must not spread this psychosis to others by claiming that these things are not happening, because they are.
Some of the things being carried out routinely in this “business” which goes hand in hand with the abortion business, are horrific, catastrophic, heart-rending, diabolical, and pure evil. And the average person cannot even stand to read description about some of these things that are being done to small children (and people of all ages actually). The evidence that this is real is immense, verifiable, and inescapable.
Yes, child sexual abuse is a real problem. These children come from backgrounds that would simply horrify us. They are abused just as badly in their home countries, in Mexico, on the road to America, and everywhere in between. It did not start in America, and we are not to blame for all the ills of the world.
Frankly, I cannot understand why an adult male would have any interest in children. Arrested development? I don’t know.
On the other hand, trafficking has, in Florida, been recently used as a reason to secretly video tape consenting adults naked, none of whom were trafficked. Their lives have been destroyed, and none were convicted. The videos are going to be released to the public for the public’s entertainment and for shaming purposes. A crime was committed by the police faking a bomb threat, to install the cameras secretly. The massage parlor was co-operated by police and owners for months so that more males could be caught in the honey trap.
Now all of this was done to save women from trafficking, supposedly. However, none of the women were trafficked. And, it would have been relatively easy to interview the workers in safe places to determine whether the are free to leave, what conditions the live under, and how they were brought here.
Now we have American police secretly recording naked people, just like the East Germany Stasi, before the fall of the iron curtain.
So, in order to save the immigrant children, you are just fine with this? Can you not see that emotional buttons are pushed to facilitate mission creep?
Where will this end? Will the data gathered by FBI, CIA apparatus be used to spy and extort and silence Americans? The IRS has been used politically, and everyone files income tax. The laws are so complicated that no one can file without committing income tax crimes. If you were interviewed by investigators for 40 hours, could your memory protect you from perjury traps? I would bet that, no matter how good a person you are, and I have little doubt you are a good person, you could be convicted of something.
All I am saying, is that in this environment beware of emotional posturing to “save the ———”. It has been, and is often used to justify nefarious means.
Do you support a police state in order to “protect the children”?
Your post #50 is right on and is very important, especially in today’s environment.
Pretty neat trick if you can import your own tribe of voters and use the media to blame their criminal activities on the other side’s voters.
It’s like a gory mangled wreck on the freeway. Once you start looking at it, you can’t turn away.
The costumes are magnificent. The towns are beautifully recreated (but way too tidy, neat and clean). The scenery is wonderful.
The Indian tribes are all very woke because they are led by highly intelligent, feeling, caring, strong women. There are a couple of blacks, one a runaway slave and another a black free woman who is indigent at being called a “slave.” They are the wisest, most couth, and well spoken people in all of Eastern Canada. Most of the whites are unimaginably evil, degraded and violent.
You’re missing a lot.
The Indian tribes are all very woke because they are led by highly intelligent, feeling, caring, strong women. There are a couple of blacks, one a runaway slave and another a black free woman who is indigent at being called a “slave.” They are the wisest, most couth, and well spoken people in all of Eastern Canada. Most of the whites are unimaginably evil, degraded and violent.
You’re missing a lot.
“Do you support a police state in order to ‘protect the children’?”
No.
“All I am saying, is that in this environment beware of emotional posturing to ‘save the ———’. It has been, and is often used to justify nefarious means.”
True. And as a means to obtain never-ending tax increases. “It is for the pubic safety... police officers who risk their lives... firefighters... better schools... etc. we just need more money to do these great things.”
“So, in order to save the immigrant children, you are just fine with this? Can you not see that emotional buttons are pushed to facilitate mission creep?”
It is not just immigrant children. Children themselves are fairly defenseless. Any could become targets of kidnappers / traffickers, including any American children. But those in especially vulnerable situations tend to get exploited more—ones where the parents are drug addicts, broken homes, homes where one or both parents are incarcerated, orphans, etc.
We also have an international criminal organization comprised of Satan / Lucifer worshippers who use Satanic Ritual Abuse (SRN) to enslave children using mind control techniques invented or revived by NAZI occultists. This was imported into our country through Operation Paperclip. It probably existed in some forms here going back to the late 1800s / early 1900s when modern Satanism was incubated through the demonically-inspired Aleister Crowley’s writings and organizations. (This era saw the country divided on the issue of slavery and ideas like Darwinian evolution, while Nietzsche’s anti-God philosophies gained traction as well. John Dewey’s progressive education formed the foundation of the modern public school system.)
“On the other hand, trafficking has, in Florida, been recently used as a reason to secretly video tape consenting adults naked, none of whom were trafficked. Their lives have been destroyed, and none were convicted. The videos are going to be released to the public for the public’s entertainment and for shaming purposes. A crime was committed by the police faking a bomb threat, to install the cameras secretly. The massage parlor was co-operated by police and owners for months so that more males could be caught in the honey trap.”
This appears to be where we part ways in our worldviews and philosophies. I reject “consenting adults” as any sort of basis for sexual morality or legality. It is fundamentally the same philosophy that treats prostitution, pornography, abortion, and all types of drug trafficking and abuse under the guise of “my body, my choice.”
This goes back to the worldwide feminist movement that started around the same time as Satanism—the late 1800s / early 1900s. The consequence of these philosophies takes multiple generations to manifest. But the outcome has been repeated in historical rising and falling of civilizations which, from a Christian perspective, can be seen outlined in Romans 1 of the Bible. The sex & drugs revolution of the 1960s is the direct result. So is the “abortion rights” movement that followed. So is the modern LGBT movement.
Too many conservatives and libertarians desire and seek the benefits of earlier eras of our society without the Christian moral restraints. That can’t happen. They go hand in hand.
“Yes, child sexual abuse is a real problem. These children come from backgrounds that would simply horrify us. They are abused just as badly in their home countries, in Mexico, on the road to America, and everywhere in between. It did not start in America, and we are not to blame for all the ills of the world.”
America is rich. This makes America a prime target for enterprising criminal organizations that sell anything illegal. Law enforcement can attempt to cut off supply, but it is at least equally important to address the demand.
America has a lot more people with disposable income and more time on their hands than most of the world. Most of the world is comprised of people who subsist from day to day. Our money flows into these countries to provide us goods and services. This money can benefit poor people around the world who have the opportunity to work for increasing wages. However, when what America buys is people then the money flows to criminal organizations and corrupt government officials. America is culpable for worldwide human trafficking.
A civil, moral, just, and free society cannot exist very long where sex and recreational drugs are commodities. Societies apply their collective values to representative government and the laws created by this government. So, when societies tolerate extramarital sex and drug abuse, civilization begins its long, slow collapse. But when they codify values that support family, marriage, personal responsibility and industry, civilization thrives.
The personal proclivities of individuals, when it comes to sex and drugs, feed into the societal moral standards that determine these outcomes. A person who uses marijuana recreationally will be distorted in his or her thinking so that it seems to be a harmless activity—a victimless crime. Same thing goes with those who pay for pornography or prostitution. They will blame the system that “criminalizes innocent behavior.”
But these things need, indeed MUST, remain criminal in order for civilization to be sustained.
Sting operations of prostitution fronts like the massage parlor are necessary as long as there is prostitution. The solution to drugs, porn, prostitution and similar societal problems is not to wave a white flag or pretend that these things are not destructive to society. Arguing that no one was convicted of a crime is like arguing that the courts keep ruling that Planned Parenthood has the right to tax dollars and can’t be held accountable for any crimes it commits. These things just reflect on how corrupt our society and government have become.
Laws prohibiting prostitution are necessary. Enforcing these laws is necessary. When people break these laws there must be consequences.
“However, none of the women were trafficked. And, it would have been relatively easy to interview the workers in safe places to determine whether the are free to leave, what conditions the live under, and how they were brought here.”
You have no way of knowing this unless you are personally involved. The job of law enforcement should not be trying to determine who is a real criminal versus victim based on the presumption that prostitution is a victimless crime. Those engaged in it are either victims or perpetrators, period. If a woman is taking money for sex, she should also be charged with a crime unless there is credible evidence that she was coerced. If she does this due to drug addiction or similar reasons, there should be a path to rehabilitation. Same is true of the men who patronize them. Perhaps there should be a first-time-offender program that treats sex addiction and educates about human trafficking and the harm that prostitution does to society.
I could give you first-hand examples of how prostitution and “adult entertainment” destroys lives and society, but I’ve already written too much. So I will leave it at this.
Of course, I agree, humblegunner.
You, unfortunately, were still incorrect.
The analogy was spot on. You simply cannot see the forest for the trees.
Because you cannot see the forest for the trees, that does not cause the analogy to be incorrect.
It is also pretty shocking what the Russian soldiers did to under-aged girls in Germany right after WWII. But before that there are youtube videos about Berlin in the 20's being the new Babylon where 5 American dollars bought you ANYTHING.
You have no way of knowing this unless you are personally involved.
I must admit I kind of like your idea of enforced morality in order to save society. We need more cameras, everywhere, in all private places so that people are not tempted to do anything wrong. We should create another agency with law enforcement powers, named "Ministry for the Preservation of Public Morals" to enforce public morality.
Don't you think this would improve our society? /S
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