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How the Navy’s Top Commander Botched the Highest-Profile Investigation in Years
Pro Publica.org ^ | April 11, | T. Christian Miller and Robert Faturechi

Posted on 04/19/2019 4:35:12 AM PDT by daniel1212

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To: G Larry

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21 posted on 04/19/2019 7:08:31 AM PDT by Bookshelf
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To: daniel1212

Awful Awful! Did not take the time to train others on the new system? What the hell! Tattooed shamrocks on her arm. What a sicko.


22 posted on 04/19/2019 7:17:19 AM PDT by angcat (THANK YOU LORD FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP!!!!!)
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To: richardtavor

Not a factor. Unless the Russians are jamming radar undetected and responsible for derelict sailors commanding the helm...

/s


23 posted on 04/19/2019 7:18:26 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: Chainmail
Anything less costs battles and lives and ultimately, the survival of our country.

Well said not only with our military posture and capability but, just as importantly, also with the quality of our political leaders. With regard to the latter we are very quickly losing the battle and have no standard measures at hand.

24 posted on 04/19/2019 7:58:55 AM PDT by frog in a pot (Forget the Electoral College, with both House and Senate, the D's will "Ballsy Ford" an R pres.)
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To: richardtavor

Unless the russians were also jamming their eyes, it doesn’t seem to be a factor.


25 posted on 04/19/2019 9:32:27 AM PDT by brooklin
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To: Doofer

Geez, on Swift Boats we used to use our flack jackets as pillows and slept on the engine hatch covers when we could grab a few minutes sleep before boarding another junk.

I have no idea how many hours we were “on” when we were on a patrol sequence.

My main memory of the Navy, from boot camp to discharge was being tired, or Tarred as our southern mates used to say.


26 posted on 04/19/2019 9:56:20 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse (Never fear the cow)
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To: Chainmail

It looks like Admiral Richardson kept pushing for criminal punishment, but was being resisted by 3 vice-admirals directly under him. They paid with their careers, but few directly involved in the accident did. So as things sit it looks like the Pentagon is being held responsible for the accident because of understaffing and overdeployment. If Richardson can’t get anything more done on this matter, maybe he should resign?


27 posted on 04/19/2019 1:56:06 PM PDT by Tallguy (Facts be d*mned! The narrative of the day must be preserved!)
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To: Tallguy

To me, the problem we have in our services is a culture where leaders are selected and promoted through risk avoidance. We have generations of military leaders who look good - or represent some disadvantaged segment - and carefully avoid trouble.

They aren’t focused on combat efficiency or vision, it’s on making the next steps upward then retiring to a cushy 7-figure income civilian job.

I’ve know a lot of guys who made General Officer who look great, sound great, but collectively would lose a debate with a loaf of bread. Worse, they have lost the integrity that used to call for senior leaders to oppose the policies and if need be, resign rather than see them implemented.

As a prime example, General Mattis was the very vision of a military professional, the “Warrior Monk” - but he never uttered a peep to stop the corrosive idiocy of openly-serving gays and ladies in combat.

Useless.


28 posted on 04/19/2019 3:38:03 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail

Yeah, Mattis was a huge disappointment. But then you realize that he rose from a division commander to a full general under Obama’s watch. That has to tell you something. Especially with the rash of “loss of command confidence” during those years.


29 posted on 04/19/2019 5:22:50 PM PDT by Tallguy (Facts be d*mned! The narrative of the day must be preserved!)
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To: Tallguy
Used to love hearing Mattis' quotes - but when the reality of his character became obvious, I stopped believing what he was selling.

Now I believe that anyone who served in senior leadership positions during an antimilitary, questionable administration should be summarily relieved and the whole lot replaced by the officers who were thrown out by that administration.

Obama was a blot on American history and one of the many untold histories of his administration was the huge number of General/Flag officers who were forced out during his reign. I have no doubt that his team deliberately wrecked the services and his picks continue to damage our defense.

Crazy as it may seem, during my time in uniform, I personally knew and worked with John Kelley, Joe Dunford, Joe Weber, Randolph "Tex" Alles and others - and I wasn't as impressed as I should have been.

30 posted on 04/20/2019 4:36:13 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: daniel1212; fuente; TalBlack; Doofer; Fido969; jimfree; BradyLS; libstripper; G Larry; ...
Complete incompetence from top to bottom: filth and the smell of urine in the CIC? Scatterbrained OOD and Ops O during transit of heavily trafficked straits? Idiot OOD who won't speak to the putative OPs O?

Where was the CO and the XO in the weeks and months preceding this disaster? Nobody inspecting critical spaces and teams?

Whole damn bunch should be rotting in Portsmouth or Leavenworth.

I spent several months at sea and even stood bridge watch at sea (as a Surface Warfare qualified Marine) and the ships I served aboard were uniformly well-manned and clean.

In its rush to attain its social goals, the Navy has fallen.

PS: blaming OPTEMPO for all their problems is horsepucky - the Navy and all the services have operated at nearly maximum OPTEMPO for decades. It's leadership that's the problem.

PS II: The Marine Corps is not immune to this idiocy: a Commanding General I served under was a female and had no concept or affection for anything Marine. My favorite memory of her was her showing up during a rainy, cold Physical Fitness Test in her staff car (with a female Lance Corporal holding an umbrella over her) and she loudly exhorted all of us to "get better scores this time" and then got back in her staff car and left. We all just looked at each other in amazement. A real Marine General would have shown up in PT gear and have run with us.

31 posted on 04/20/2019 6:52:32 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail

Yup. Makes me want to puke and cry. We are in a world of hurt in the next big one. And it is coming.


32 posted on 04/20/2019 3:35:20 PM PDT by fuente (Liberty resides in three boxes: the ballot box, the jury box and the cartridge box--Fredrick Douglas)
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What a crock! Bitching about 100 hour work weeks underway?

And it's not really 100 hours of work. During your "100 hour work week" there's downtime to read a book, play spades, watch movies, work out, eat, chill, take smoke breaks, whatnot. It's not like sailors are shoveling coal into boilers for fourteen hours a day nonstop.

33 posted on 04/20/2019 3:40:00 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68

Obviously, you were not a fast boat sailor.


34 posted on 04/20/2019 6:31:32 PM PDT by fuente (Liberty resides in three boxes: the ballot box, the jury box and the cartridge box--Fredrick Douglas)
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To: fuente
Obviously, you were not a fast boat sailor.

Air Wing. Choose your rate, choose your fate! Always felt bad for those boat chucks. IYAOYAS!

35 posted on 04/20/2019 6:44:37 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: daniel1212

maybe she thought the only way to miss the cargo ship was to turn sharply and hope the cargo ship just slips by the Fitzgerald’s left side.... .....perhaps it was too late to stop, or speed up to miss the cargo ship...


36 posted on 04/20/2019 6:55:13 PM PDT by cherry
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