Posted on 04/04/2019 10:58:10 AM PDT by detective
They already ARE mentally ill. But, like homosexuality before, gender dysphoria is now celebrated and encouraged, never treated as the disorder it is.
I was trying to be “sensitive”...kids, you know.
It is most likely a social contagion. Huge increase in girl-to-boy transitions (up 4,500 percent in ten years) compared to up 300% for boy-to-girl. Much like anorexia and cutting.
Mostly in girls with existing mental issues such as anxiety, Apspergers, Autism, OCD, etc. They don’t quite “fit in” - and soon they are told (mostly via the internet) they don’t fit in because they aren’t really a girl at all - they are a boy.
Kids can then follow the on-line script of how to tell their story, and get hormone shots from a doctor with only one or two visits. No documentation, no nothing. Just a short talk about their “feelings”.
The House Judicial committee just held a meeting and is looking to add gender issues to the Equal Rights Amendment. This would allow boys to compete against girls, use their locker rooms etc. at the Federal level.
More importantly, it would make it illegal to give therapy to transgenders for their real, underlying issues (anxiety, depression, OCD, etc.) as it would be considered “conversion therapy”.
In 10 to 20 years they will look back on this the same way we do lobotomies today. I hope.
It’s not the food. Social media, celebrity culture, leftist permeation of schools and churches, and “normal” people cowed into silence.
Why would you get all hoity toity in the conversation? Nobody’s objected about this but you.
I see the confusion as a PERFECT place for the left to get its rhetorical foot in the door — currently it’s still illegal to do it on this level to the genetically normal kid.
Some on this site too readily charge child abuse for things that belong to parental authority and prerogative.
This is actual child abuse.
Consider where “Jazz” may be in five or ten years. I do not believe he/she will be a well adjusted young adult living a normal life as a female. I would expect significant psychological problems ranging from drug abuse, promiscuity and depression to suicide. The long term effects of hormones may well take their toll medically. Jazz may be celebrating cutting off his penis today, but I pity his/her future.
“Why would you get all hoity toity in the conversation? Nobody’s objected about this but you.”
Probably quite a few people simply ignored the nonsense you posted.
Chopping boys’ penises off is wrong, but we have a Freeper—not a Democratic Underground member—who wants to object, based on supposed possible genetic defects.
The defect you presented is still no reason to cut off a boy’s penis. Even when there is a genetic defect, every human is still either male or female. “Jazz” is biologically male. It’s a scientific fact. The left does not care about that, but we should. We should also care that the LGBT perversion is being forced upon children in the left’s war on children and babies. If the left can’t kill them before or soon after being born, they want to sexually damage and exploit them.
I’ve read about this kid (who is now 18) since the leftwing media first started using him to push the trans and LGBT agenda to kids and Americans in general. Never heard anyone suggest that he had a genetic defect. They just asserted he is a girl who also happens to have a penis.
The LGBT promoters found a cute young boy who was emotionally disturbed (almost certainly due to the parenting) and groomed him to be the spokesmodel for the child trans penis-chopping movement. When he was just 11, “Jazz” had a hormone blocking device implanted in his arm, causing delayed puberty and his penis to be very small. This is information that can be found with a few clicks so that there is no need to speculate over the issue of genetic defects.
It’s fine to address the question of genetic aberrations, but your assertion that “assigning Jazz to female... might not be... unreasonable” is ludicrous. It shows that the liberal confusion on this issue has infiltrated Free Republic.
Do more homework before making such wrong assertions if you don’t want them to be critiqued. We don’t need FReepers posting nonsense about when it might be okay to cut off a boy’s penis. It’s wrong, and the scenario you presented is not even the case here, and if it were it would still be wrong.
I agree. If it’s not Munchausen’s by proxy, it is a close psychological cousin.
Involving a child changing genders raises the amount of attention the mother gets many times higher than in most MBP cases.
Allowing a “child” to make and carry out this kind of decision is diabolical enough; doing so very publically is worse. It essentially denies the child involved a chance to change his or her mind; that person is locked into the decision. There is too much invested in to making the change. It’s like a woman in the midst of planning a huge, expensive wedding: the dress is bought, the venue reserved and paid for, the food and cake ordered, the invitations are sent. The bride may have second thoughts but decide that it’s ultimately easier to go through with the wedding and end the marriage later. Except, of course, in the case of “gender reassignment” surgery the person involved will never be able to fully reverse what’s been done.
Add to that: it’s TRENDY. It’s COOL.
If a child or younger person is unhappy, confused, not comfortable in his or her own skin, the answer is no longer “We’ll get you some help.” Now it’s “you are in the wrong body, you should have been born the opposite sex. We’ll get your body fixed.”
Sooner or later, that person will wake up one day and realize that changing the body didn’t solve his or her problems, didn’t fix the inner problems; it just made things way more complicated. The underlying problems will still be the same, because the underlying PERSON is still the same. “Wherever you go, there you are.”
Sounds like at the very best you are just sitting and speculating to your own self compliment. I won’t bother with that. Have a nice day.
“Sounds like at the very best you are just sitting and speculating”
I guess odds are pretty good that most people on this forum post when sitting. So, that’s more than a good guess on your end.
As far as speculating, I’m not sure which part of my comments you think are speculation.
I told you that a simple search will support that “Jazz” has been receiving puberty blocking drugs since age 11.
Here’s an example:
“Aged 11, she was prescribed hormone blockers to stop the production of testosterone, so she would not go through male puberty.” —DailyMail.com 2-24-2015
Or do you think recognizing that there are exactly 2 biological sexes for humans is “speculative”?
Biological males have X and Y chromosomes.
Biological females have only X chromosomes.
Chromosomal Anomalies:
XXY (Klinefelter syndrome)
XXYY (XXYY syndrome)
X (Turner syndrome)
XXX (Triple X syndrome)
The first two of these anomalies are male, but have a genetic defect.
The second two of these anomalies are female, but have a genetic defect.
True hermaphroditism, is a ovotesticular disorder of sex development. People afflicted with this malady still have one of the six possible combinations of genes listed above, and are either male or female.
The left is trying to use biological defects as a cover for spreading more lies and confusion.
When we correctly recognize the clear division of biological sex, we can objectively treat defects with reasonable medical objective of helping the whole person.
When people with an LGBT agenda come along, they fight against the best interest of those so afflicted by insisting that heterosexual attraction or a male/female gender identity that matches the male/female biological sex is not normative. In other words, they oppose treating children with the idea that correcting defects should assume they will be heterosexual / straight. In some cases they actually want to use these children as guinea pigs to see if they can manipulate their sexual orientation and “gender identity”.
I suggest that FR should not go along with the LGBT agenda.
“Sounds like at the very best you are just sitting and speculating”
I guess odds are pretty good that most people on this forum post when sitting. So, that’s more than a good guess on your end.
As far as speculating, I’m not sure which part of my comments you think are speculation.
I told you that a simple search will support that “Jazz” has been receiving puberty blocking drugs since age 11.
Here’s an example:
“Aged 11, she was prescribed hormone blockers to stop the production of testosterone, so she would not go through male puberty.” —DailyMail.com 2-24-2015
Or do you think recognizing that there are exactly 2 biological sexes for humans is “speculative”?
Biological males have X and Y chromosomes.
Biological females have only X chromosomes.
Chromosomal Anomalies:
XXY (Klinefelter syndrome)
XXYY (XXYY syndrome)
X (Turner syndrome)
XXX (Triple X syndrome)
The first two of these anomalies are male, but have a genetic defect.
The second two of these anomalies are female, but have a genetic defect.
True hermaphroditism, is a ovotesticular disorder of sex development. People afflicted with this malady still have one of the six possible combinations of genes listed above, and are either male or female.
The left is trying to use biological defects as a cover for spreading more lies and confusion.
When we correctly recognize the clear division of biological sex, we can objectively treat defects with reasonable medical objective of helping the whole person.
When people with an LGBT agenda come along, they fight against the best interest of those so afflicted by insisting that heterosexual attraction or a male/female gender identity that matches the male/female biological sex is not normative. In other words, they oppose treating children with the idea that correcting defects should assume they will be heterosexual / straight. In some cases they actually want to use these children as guinea pigs to see if they can manipulate their sexual orientation and “gender identity”.
I suggest that FR should not go along with the LGBT agenda.
And btw, those anomalies represent less than 2% of the population. “Jazz” is not among them.
“Have a nice day.”
Likewise.
Well, I’d want to know when doing this to a kid (not anomaly chromosome) became legal, and how. Why aren’t we hearing a lot of shouting about the legality of it? Did we go from “gay marriage” to “trans morph any kid” in one second flat? What in the world happened?
Why all the fuming and sputtering — there’s always been a quiet history of arbitrary assignment of, say, hermaphrodites. I wouldn’t put it past the MSM to lie and misrepresent to our faces. It’s done so for years and years. We can get gaslighted by the devil such that accusations that are by turns sad and amusing get bandied about. Chill!
I’d like to know just what became legal in what circumstances to whom, and how. But even more, what are people who know better doing to try to usher in a better future. The old methods, the old conventions, aren’t working. But the power of God hasn’t met a barrier with this situation.
Fine, I don't want it either. I was trying to pinpoint where cases like this began to diverge from older practice, and how. But forget about all that. We have what we have. Exactly what's still legal and to whom? Is it the case that any old "gender dysphoria" gets addressed with sex change hormones at any age now? If so that's very sad. It will be a generation of abused children. But perhaps it will also be a generation of sadder but wiser people later.
To "not go along with an agenda" one has to know where that agenda is and what its context is. When it's got people otherwise of good will backbiting one another, we have something bigger than that agenda afoot. We have the devil assailing us.
“Why aren’t we hearing a lot of shouting about the legality of it? Did we go from ‘gay marriage’ to ‘trans morph any kid’ in one second flat? What in the world happened?”
I’ve had that exact same thought many times.
When I grew up, it was not Christians who bashed homosexuals, it was most other people. Christians condemned homosexuality along with all sin. But even the lost world found homosexual perversion offensive.
Gradually there has been a shift in secular thinking, mostly as the result of rejecting Christianity as a culture. The odd thing is that, nobody was advocating fines, imprisonment, loss of jobs, etc. toward those who vocally supported homosexuality. Such folks were simply regarded as nuts and ignored.
But today, just as soon as they got a ruling saying homosexual “marriage” was a right, they immediately treated this as the first, highest, most sacrosanct legal principle of all Constitutional law.
Simply disagreeing is hate speech. And this is the equivalent of advocating lynching black people. So anyone who speaks out against homosexuality must be stopped by ALL and ANY means necessary.
They’ve immediately moved on from homosexual rights to claiming that abusing children is “the rights of the child”. They’re trying to convince everyone that children are being oppressed by not letting them express their sexuality. So, in their contorted logic, cutting off a little boy’s penis is his right, as if any sane child or child’s parent would want this.
Children have a little curiosity to understand things about sex, but they don’t need to “express themselves”. They need to be taught right from wrong. They need to be educated in a safe way, and not by perverts.
We’ve had homosexuals given the supposed “right” to adopt or be foster parents to children since even before the so-called homosexual marriage ruling. It was at this point our nation became doomed. It cannot escape destruction. Maybe, if God is merciful, something valuable will be rebuilt from the ashes after it is destroyed. Maybe God will note those who grieve over these abominations and the fall of our great nation, and maybe He will spare them in its destruction.
“Is it the case that any old ‘gender dysphoria’ gets addressed with sex change hormones at any age now? If so that’s very sad. It will be a generation of abused children.”
I don’t think there is any standard. I think, as you’ve suggested, doctors took various rational approaches to genetic defects in this area for many years now. It was done discretely. They didn’t give a T.V. show to kids like “Jazz” or the other little boys they’re now putting on display in the LGBT parades.
Unfortunately, when liberals are in charge, they just make up the rules as they go. They do whatever they want. They only make laws and enforce them as a way to stop conservatives from doing anything.
Laws will not fix this problem. The people behind this are the same ones who ignore the law and all standards of morality and decency. They traffic children for sex. No laws are going to stop them. They just prefer to change the laws to make it easier to do what they are already doing. And they want to use the media to manipulate the public through lies like this whole “trans” agenda. The only way it will be stopped is by force. Either morally fit patriots will rise up and put a stop to it, or God Himself will intervene at some point. When He does all we can do is get out of the way.
I hope that when I talk about facts in the circumstances, when some of those facts in isolation are against us, I don’t get taken as a cheering squad for the enemy. Jesus gave a parable of trying to meet a force of 2x with a force of 1x, and the wise thing is to ask for terms of peace. Most importantly that applies to God and us. We can’t overcome God. As I have heard it said, our arms are too short to box with God.
But that also applies to situations where patience while God moves in strategic ways is the right thing to do. It’s a situation with terrible things in it. That doesn’t void the promise to prepare a table for us in the presence of our enemies.
We can’t snatch every child of every family in the USA out of these new schemes by main force, but we can stand up for the children of our own families.
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