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Ignorant, Irresponsible or Insane? A Federal Tax On Wealth!
Truth Based Logic ^ | March 1, 2019 | William Flax

Posted on 03/01/2019 10:04:04 AM PST by Ohioan

We do not claim that all questions of American Constitutional Law are easily settled; that there is always an easy answer to what the Constitution allows; or to what it requires, or what it forbids. But there are obvious answers on some points. There are clearly defined functions mandated; others, clearly forbidden; as well as an overriding functional purpose. Yet nothing could be clearer than the fact that a Federal tax on wealth is totally contrary to both the letter & spirit of the Constitution of the United States.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts; US: New York; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: berniesanders; constitution; elizabethwarren; fauxahontas; massachusetts; newyork; ocasiocortez; slingingbull; socialism; taxation; vermont; wealth
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The Leftwing of the Democratic Party has now rallied to support a confiscatory tax on wealth. This is so clearly contrary to the letter & spirit of the Constitution as to make it a sort of ultimate showdown issue between the America that brought us to the Twentieth Century as the most successful political venture in history, and where our internal enemies have been trying to take us, over the past century.
1 posted on 03/01/2019 10:04:04 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan

We need instead to end the income tax.


2 posted on 03/01/2019 10:05:55 AM PST by polymuser (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged today. - Chesterton)
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To: Ohioan
It won't help. The extremely wealthy will do what Bill Gates did. He formed a tax-exempt foundation and is moving his MS stock into it at today's value. Bill will never have to realize the gain of $80 billion and will never have to pay any estate taxes on the value of his property.

But he IS still free to whine about not paying enough in taxes. BTW, Warren Buffett is doing EXACTLY the same thing.

3 posted on 03/01/2019 10:09:25 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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To: Ohioan

Now they want to tax the taxes!


4 posted on 03/01/2019 10:14:54 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Sgt_Schultze

The best tax shelters in the world are useless once Bolsheviks show up with guns.

A lot of people in Europe learned that last century.


5 posted on 03/01/2019 10:15:48 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Ohioan

Yes, a wealth tax is unconstitutional. When has that ever stopped the demcoRATS?

The key litmus test in this is: will those wealthy “donors” to the democRATS and specifically Injun Warren, be willing to pay this tax willingly? I suggest they they aren’t because Injun Warren is having trouble raising money for her campaign advocating this.

In France where they have such a tax, what sort of effect has it had on their wealthiest citizens, and what percentage have departed with their wealth to locales out of the reach of this tax?


6 posted on 03/01/2019 10:15:54 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Life is about ass, you're either covering, hauling, laughing, kicking, kissing, or behaving like one)
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To: polymuser

Repeal the 16th and 17th Amendments. A tax on wages is immoral, we all need to work to provide for our families. Before taxes, humans had to work and barter and trade. It is human nature to work to provide for our clans, and immoral to take those wages. Also, election of Senators gives too much power to political parties. Repeal the 17th and let the states appoint their representatives again the way it was originally designed to protect federalism.

I don’t oppose all taxes, but the income tax on wages earned from labor are antithetical to human nature. I’m always amazed at how the left cries about every single creature on earth while they deny, ignore and suppress human nature. We are intelligent, we adapt, we build, we invent, we help and heal and contribute. The things we do are our nature just as the beaver’s nature to build damns.


7 posted on 03/01/2019 10:20:54 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Ohioan; wardaddy; Pelham; DiogenesLamp; Dick Bachert; GSWarrior; John S Mosby
This is an issue that the Left will mistakenly---because appeals to envy are their staple--think gives them an advantage; but it really does not, if one knows how to handle them. Properly approached, we can mop up the floor with their forked tongued lies.

The President has already sounded the clarion call against Socialism--for example, at the State of the Union. Let's take it up to a purpose.

8 posted on 03/01/2019 10:21:54 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: Sgt_Schultze
To be effective, a tax on wealth would have to go after all the foundations as well. Then the truly wealthy would have to take their wealth abroad, or overthrow the government to avoid being looted. Which is how wealth taxation tends to end up historically.

Warren Buffett has been a nuisance for years with his talk of how the rich are undertaxed. His comments on the estate tax are especially risible. Buffett has committed most of his wealth to the Gates Foundation, which does Good Things. I respect Gates' and Buffett's commitment to philanthropy, though I can think of several other ways I'd prefer to spend the money. (I will do so when I finally accumulate a hundred billion dollars of my own.) But Buffett also set each of his children up with a foundation worth several billion dollars. If congressional Republicans weren't so completely tone deaf (I know, I know, it's hopeless), they would long since have adopted a Buffett rule as the goal of estate tax reform: tax free transmission of assets up to $5 billion to each heir, with no estate taxation until that threshold is passed. Since Democrats for many years have hailed Buffett as the font of all wisdom on estate taxation, they should be willing to support this … right?

9 posted on 03/01/2019 10:22:03 AM PST by sphinx
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To: polymuser

“Ignorant, Irresponsible or Insane? A Federal Tax On Wealth!”

None of the above...it’s criminal just like the tax code in general.


10 posted on 03/01/2019 10:24:53 AM PST by Bonemaker (invictus" maneo)
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To: polymuser

“We need instead to end the income tax.”

If that dunce AOC has her way, no one will have to work anyway in her utopia, so there won’t be any taxes to collect.
LORD please deliver the sane people in America from these kooks.


11 posted on 03/01/2019 10:25:48 AM PST by kagnew
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To: Buckeye McFrog

> The best tax shelters in the world are useless once Bolsheviks show up with guns. <

On the other hand, the Nazis pretty much left the wealthy folks alone...as long as they towed the party line.

So Bill Gates and his buddies had better hope for a form of National Socialism down the road, and not Marxist Socialism.


12 posted on 03/01/2019 10:29:09 AM PST by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: polymuser

The income tax, at least, is Constitutional. The wealth tax—as demonstrated in my article—clearly is not. Think tactics. If you can break the enemy’s lines in a battle, and rout their attack, you do not want to get drawn into drawn out stalemates on adjacent fronts.


13 posted on 03/01/2019 10:29:26 AM PST by Ohioan
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Ignorant, Irresponsible or Insane?

How about criminally deliberately evil? When and if a wealth tax passes then it's time to start thinning the ranks of Democrats.

14 posted on 03/01/2019 10:33:17 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Ohioan

Do they think the wealthy will just sit idly by as DemocRats rob them? This is the quickest way to drive the wealthy, who pay nearly half the income tax, out of the country.


15 posted on 03/01/2019 10:33:46 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Being woke means you can be nasty, hateful and use racist slurs yet feel morally superior.)
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Never happen.

As desperate as the government is for money to support the growing gibsmedats programs, "wealth" is where the elite of both parties protect their money and assets from the confiscatory taxes they impose on everyone.

16 posted on 03/01/2019 10:36:41 AM PST by glennaro
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To: Ohioan; All
"Yet nothing could be clearer than the fact that a Federal tax on wealth is totally contrary to both the letter & spirit of the Constitution of the United States."

Thanks for posting Ohioan. And with all due respect to your statement, please consider the following.

Noting that many of the delegates to the Constitutional Convention were wealthy, when the delegates ratified the Constitution they put their money where their mouths were by committing themselves and their rich friends to uniquely pay to run the new federal government. This is evidence by the following excerpt from rich man Thomas Jefferson’s writings.

The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied [emphasis added]. … Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings.” —Thomas Jefferson to Thaddeus Kosciusko, 1811.

But also note that first half 19th century state sovereignty-respecting Supreme Court justices had clarified the following about Congress’s limited power to appropriate taxes.

"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States."—Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.


In other words, the Court had clarified that Congress is allowed to appropriate taxes only for what it can justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers and a few other minor constitutionally enumerated expenses.

In fact, one of the reasons that the Founding States established the federal Senate was so that senators could protect their states from federal overreach by killing bills that not only steal unique state powers, but also steal state revenues uniquely associated with those powers indicated by the Gibbons excerpt above.

This is also why the founders had given the power to vote for senators uniquely to state law makers, not to ordinary citizens.

Also note that a constitutional lawmaker and a Supreme Court justice had clarified that the Founding States had left the care of the people to states, not the federal government.

The reason that corrupt Congress is now taxing and spending for all kinds of things that it can clearly not justify under its Section 8-limited powers is the following.

The early 20th century Progressive Movement spooked low-information voters into pressuring state lawmakers to ratify the ill-conceived 17th Amendment. State lawmakers caved, foolishly giving up the voices of the state legislatures in Congress by doing so.

So now the corrupt, popularly elected Senate works in cahoots with the likewise corrupt House to pass unconstitutional bills that steal state powers and state revenues, state revenues stolen by means of unconstitutional federal taxes.

What patriots need to do about unconstitutional federal taxes is to support PDJT in leading the states to repeal the 16th and ill-conceived 17th Amendments.

17 posted on 03/01/2019 10:37:22 AM PST by Amendment10
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To: Ouderkirk

My point is that this is a winning issue, tactically & strategically, if it is properly handled. But the Socialists do not understand this. They think they can appeal to jealousy, and gain the advantage. But they can only do so, if Conservatives run around apologizing for American exceptualism.(That is, if we all mimic the apologetic types who gave Obama a pass for his attacks on our heritage. A profound mistake!)


18 posted on 03/01/2019 10:38:17 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: polymuser
"We need instead to end the income tax"

A little history here "The roots of IRS go back to the Civil War when President Lincoln and Congress, in 1862, created the position of commissioner of Internal Revenue and enacted an income tax to pay war expenses. The income tax was repealed 10 years later."

"n 1913, Wyoming ratified the 16th Amendment, providing the three-quarter majority of states necessary to amend the Constitution. The 16th Amendment gave Congress the authority to enact an income tax. That same year, the first Form 1040 appeared after Congress levied a 1 percent tax on net personal incomes above $3,000 with a 6 percent surtax on incomes of more than $500,000.

"In 1918, during World War I, the top rate of the income tax rose to 77 percent to help finance the war effort. It dropped sharply in the post-war years, down to 24 percent in 1929, and rose again during the Depression. During World War II, Congress introduced payroll withholding and quarterly tax payments.

Partial solution to greedy politicians/lobbyists and other parasites is Keep America Strong while stopping the $$$$$$$$$$ from policing the world when it is not our problem. We The People must change the rules of our current Political Class who have become so strong and so corrupt as to wage war against a duly elected American President all but destroying our Constitution and those laws. Electing women who call the POTUS filthy names...this is the face of a Banana Republic.

That is truly not who we are.

19 posted on 03/01/2019 10:38:19 AM PST by yoe (This "war" between USA parties is about the Constitution. Capitolism and Marxism.)
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Double taxation - taxed when you make it, taxed when you keep it - something about no taxation without representation - maybe if you’re going to get taxed twice, you get two votes - let’s see how that flies......


20 posted on 03/01/2019 10:40:05 AM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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