Posted on 02/23/2019 6:05:26 AM PST by Rummyfan
Bravo!
This should be a required posting on any of the idiotic NBC threads that keep popping up around here.
The idea that the USSC would EVER, under any circumstances and with any membership disqualify a person who was born in the US and was later chosen by the Electoral College from the Presidency is just nonsense.
All she has to do is smile and laugh when confronted with a tough question, works for her every time.
“Wasn’t she Willie Brown’s call girl?”
Concubine
Biden goes nowhere, Sanders goes nowhere, Harris goes nowhere, Booker goes nowhere....there is not one, not one. Democrat candidate or potential Democrat Party candidate that will stand against and best POTUS, Donald J. Trump in his 2020 re-election campaign...period.
It has very little to do with the actual Democrat Party candidates. It has great impact from voter demographics that are changing quickly. It’s quite simple to relate. African-Americans are going for Trump at about 24% right now. American-Hispanics are going for Trump at 45%, or higher. White-Americans are going for Trump at a massive 65%. The reasons for this current political stance are simple, being that American voter Blacks and Hispanics have become totally fed up with a Democrat Party that has done nothing for them in the last fifty years, other then to use them to play “Identity Politics”!!! This game is over folks, Trump will be massively re-elected in 2020, barring some unforeseen political catastrophe. Case closed.
“To assert that the 14th A modified Article II is lubricous.”
Do you mean “ludicrous” (absurd) or “lubricious” (intended to arouse sexual desire)?
;^)
If she is born in US, she’s naturalized. Under the 14th Amendment, she qualifies.
You may be right. What you (or at least most of those who are hung up on the definition of NBC) miss is that it’s not going to make any difference as to whether she runs or holds the office of President. Just as it did not with Obama. It’s not that nobody cares, it’s that as long as there is a plausible alternative explanation, the vast majority will be fine with it and even if someone decides it’s worth the time and money to file a challenge, there is very little chance she would be enjoined from running and winning until it is adjudicated. And all it will take is one judge to say “I don’t think so” and dismiss with prejudice.
So I conclude it’s an academic argument. Time will tell.
I apologize, I failed to read your post correctly and retract the “you” reference.
“I said long ago that races for the congress and for president in this country involve two or more candidates who strive to outdo each other in promising to violate the constitution in ever more imaginative ways and then the winner is sworn into office promising to uphold the same constitution which they promised to violate in the campaign.
It has become absurd.”
One of these days, no one will be sworn in. If they win the election by hook or crook, they will just assume the position on a certain date.
No.
You have to be born to two US citizen parents to be eligible
Naturalized is not the same as Natural Born. An immigrant takes the oath and becomes a citizen, or an anchor baby is naturalized. Natural Born is both parents being US citizens.
What they are hanging around her neck is that she was prosecuting drug cases - I think that BS backfired for her.
Reminds me of Doctor Evil trying to relate to Scott; “I’m hip, I’m cool...”.
…Marie Elizabeth Elg. who was born in the United States of Swedish parents then naturalized here...that her parents [later] resumed their citizenship in that country… [emphasis added]
It has been awhile since I last looked at the case and do not have time this morning, but would appreciate a sentence or two as to how Perkins applies.
“This game is over folks, Trump will be massively re-elected ...”
Never underestimate the assholery, douchebaggery, treachery and stupidity of your neighbors,
So much that she chose to marry one of them?
AKE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE
From DMZFrank | 12/22/2018 2:58:29 PM PST
The SCOTUS has never directly ruled on the meaning of Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the constitution with regard to POTUS eligibility. But in SCOTUS cases wherein they have given a definition of what a NBC (or a 14th amendment citizen in the case of Wong Kim Ark)is, Minor vs Haperstatt, Venus Merchantman Case of 1814) they defined an NBC as a person born of TWO, count them TWO citizen parents (the parents don’t have to be NBC) and born in one of the states of the Union, or the territories.
The authors of the 14th amendment, in the Congressional debates on the matter, also defined an NBC in the same manner. Rep. Bimgham and Senator Jacob Howard were the principal authors of the 14th amendment. Here is a quote from Howard which clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment in 1866, which was to define citizenship. He stated: “Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.”
Until this matter is formally adjudicated by the Court, I will defer to their NBC stare decisis definitions. Harris, Obama and a host of others were not, are not, and can NEVER be constitutionally eligible to be POTUS.
Whatever one thinks what the meaning of Article II, Section 1, clause 5 is, it is clear that the adoption of the 14th amendment did not alter it in any constitutional sense. How else can you account for the fact that the constitution only specifies for the office of senator and representative citizenship for a period of 9 and 7 years respectively, while the constitution requires the POTUS, to be NATURALLY born, owing allegiance to no other country? That is the ONLY constitutional provision for NBC. Obviously, there is a singular distinction with regard to that office. Under Jamaican and Indian citizenship law, for instance, It is conceivable that Jamaica or India could claim that Kamala Harris, thru her parents, is a citizen who owes allegiance to both of those countries FROM HER BIRTH. It was conferred upon her by those countries citizenship laws, just as valid as our own.
By the way, Ted Cruz (who I admire very much) made a very public demonstration of the fact that he was going to FORMALLY renounce his CANADIAN citizenship. What NATURALLY BORN US citizen has to do such a thing?
The framers of the constitution were patriarchs. (Yes I understand that is completely out of tune with modern sensibilities, but nonetheless it is true.) They believed that the citizenship of the FATHER was conferred upon his children. SCOUTUS incorporated in toto the ENTIRE 212th paragraph of Emerich De Vattel’s Law of Nations in their 1814 Venus merchantman case as they defined what an NBC is. Here is the money quote that Justice Livingstone that was cited when he wrote for the majority, “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.”
I suspect the reason that many do not want this issue formally examined is that they wish to foster and enhance the globalist influence on the office of POTUS. The NBC requirement was never intended to be a guarantee of allegiance, but a safeguard against undue foreign influence on the office of POTUS, PARTICULARLY from a father owing allegiance to a foreign sovereignty. The oath of naturalization requires a formal and legal renunciation of any prior national allegiances.
Jennie Spencer-Churchill, known as Lady Randolph Churchill, was a natural born US citizen, and a British socialite, the wife of Lord Randolph Churchill and the mother of British Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill.
Under US citizenship law at the time of Churchill’s birth, despite the fact that his mother was a NATURAL BORN US citizen, she could not transmit her US citizenship on to young Winston owing to her marriage to a foreign national, Sir Randolph Spencer Churchill, who was Winston’s father. That would not be legally allowed until the passage of the Cable Act of 1922, well after Churchill’s birth in 1874. The Cable Act only confers citizenship, NOT NATURALLY BORN citizenship. It did not refer to, or alter the meaning of an Article II, Sec. 1, clause 5 “natural born citizen” in any way.
Churchill was granted HONORARY US citizenship by an act of Congress on 9 April 1963. It was understood that his birth to a an NBC citizen US mother in Great Britain did not make him a citizen by law.
This is just one more indication of the fact that Obama, Cruz, Rubio OR Harris can NEVER be constitutionally eligible to the office of POTUS. We need to have this issue finally adjudicated by SCOTUS for the first time in US history, and finally get a definitive answer one way or another.
We have enough naturally born anti-american, anti-constitutional cultural marxists in our country now who aspire to be POTUS. I say let’s eliminate all those who don’t even meet the basic Article II criteria. Winnow the opposition.
This matter is SCREAMING for a definitive ruling on the meaning of Article II, Section 1, clause 5, by the SCOTUS for the first time in the history of the US. It is revealing to note what Clarence Thomas told a House subcommittee that when it comes to determining whether a person born outside the 50 states can serve as U.S. president when he said that the high court is “evading” the issue. The comments came as part of Thomas’ testimony before a House appropriations panel discussing an increase in the Supreme Court’s budget in April of 2017. Thomas said that to Subcommittee Chairman Rep. Jose Serrano, D-N.Y.
After two Obama terms, I think they are terrified of the implications of a ruling based on originalist constitutional intent and interpretation. That does not excuse the cowardice in refusing a grant of certiorari for those who wish to have SCOTUS exercise it’s Article III oversight on this matter.
lol....
BAH....
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