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Gen. 1-11: The Creation Model vs. Modern Pagan Evolutionary Models
Renew America ^ | Feb. 10, 2019 | Linda Kimball

Posted on 02/11/2019 5:53:11 AM PST by spirited irish

As a neo-pagan evolutionary materialist (pagan animist), Dennett enthusiastically embraces Darwin's evolutionary theory because evolution – an unseen creative energy that acts upon matter – supposedly provides a 'scientific' explanation for the emergence of life from non-life bearing chemicals, thereby supposedly negating the necessity of the living, supernatural Tri-Personal God. Hence Dennett's delusional insistence that there is no soul/spirit (mind, will) associated with the human brain or any supernatural God or life after death. Thus the central concern of Dennett's career has been to explain how,

".... meaning, function and purpose can come to exist in a world that is intrinsically meaningless and functionless." (The Spiritual Brain, Beauregard & O'Leary, p. 2)

(Excerpt) Read more at renewamerica.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: deconstruction; nihilism; paganism; pantheism
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1 posted on 02/11/2019 5:53:11 AM PST by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish

There is this debate, and then there is the freedom of speech debate. The second one is becoming critical.


2 posted on 02/11/2019 5:57:07 AM PST by aspasia
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To: aspasia

‘There is this debate, and then there is the freedom of speech debate. The second one is becoming critical.’

of course you’re correct, but the first debate becomes a lot of fun, particularly when you ask the creationists where the Creator came from...the finest top ever devised couldn’t hold a candle to the spinning that happens then...


3 posted on 02/11/2019 6:07:54 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: spirited irish

This is craziness. There are so many theological ignorant definitions and label associations in this piece. If folks are going to label and write about differing theologies and doctrines the first prerequisite is to do some homework and have some clue of what they really are. Beginning with Animism... It is the exact opposite of what she is trying to say it is here.


4 posted on 02/11/2019 6:19:59 AM PST by Openurmind
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To: Openurmind

Yes, and it just doesn’t make any sense, this entire excerpt.


5 posted on 02/11/2019 6:26:45 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: spirited irish
Strangely, for a philosopher of mind Dennett seeks to convince the world that there really isn't any such thing as a mind

The reductionist has faith that this is true. But consciousness is an entity that exists as part of reality, and has an identity, a nature, characteristics, and causal consequences that can be observed by means of introspection and observation of external reality. What is observed actually contradicts reductionism.

6 posted on 02/11/2019 6:28:15 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: spirited irish

Evolution is “...an unseen creative energy that acts upon matter...”

No, it’s not. It’s just recognition of a trend.


7 posted on 02/11/2019 6:34:55 AM PST by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals.")
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To: ifinnegan

I’m all for supporting your own doctrine as righteous and superior if you choose to, but to blindly redefine terminology and labels without having any real factual knowledge and use this knowledge correctly it harms your own cause and doctrine. At least be accurate in the understanding and facts. This kind of thing is what the left does and we complain about.


8 posted on 02/11/2019 6:36:34 AM PST by Openurmind
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To: ifinnegan

Read the whole article... it gets worse.


9 posted on 02/11/2019 6:42:41 AM PST by Openurmind
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To: IrishBrigade

Something is eternal.


10 posted on 02/11/2019 6:43:10 AM PST by aspasia
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To: Openurmind
I agree. That article said a whole lot without really saying anything. I won't say anything beyond that, except that if you approach every side of an argument with the confirmation bias of your own base knowledge leading the way, you will only find demons under every rock you turn over.

As I grow in my faith, I'm consistently surprised how biblical teachings confirm (sometimes only in small ways) even the most obscure and seemingly superficially, incorrect writings of otherwise ungodly men and women. That is to say, it appears more and more to me, that God uses everyone, even non-believers, to suit his purpose and reveal truths according to his will.

Life is a lesson at every moment, it's not a classroom-only learning experience.

11 posted on 02/11/2019 6:58:48 AM PST by tech_rjmarce1
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To: spirited irish

Without the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, it’s all made up.


12 posted on 02/11/2019 6:58:59 AM PST by onedoug
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To: tech_rjmarce1

Well said. It’s unfortunate to see this so often, Believe firmly but never let it blind you. It was never intended to be this way. It reverts one back to the dark ages of blind ignorance and superstition.


13 posted on 02/11/2019 7:12:43 AM PST by Openurmind
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To: Openurmind

My opinion

A highly educated individual goes out and foolishly plants several rows of vegetables.
Despite being called stupid, foolish, delusional, etc they continue to nurture their crop as if they knew something completely contrary to the beliefs of the majority.

Because the majority knew the harsh conditions of the desert would likely destroy any crop without extraordinary measures, they knew it would take a miracle to produce anything but wasted time and resources.

When the crop was mature and harvested, despite expectation, it it was labeled a miracle. Because these things cannot be grown in this environment. A miracle is the right label. It’s not a miracle that a harvest occurred. It’s that anyone had enough faith and commitment to do it.

Does that prove a Devine creator exist, no. It does prove, as many previous miracles have, that consensus is often the worst predictor of outcomes and usually not based in science.

Many discoveries have been made while seeking a answer from a belief in a God, many discoveries may have occurred sooner if those who claim to be educated, had not preached a gospel of impossibility and discouraged the will to even try.

My opinion
God and Science go hand in hand.
It takes faith to believe the impossible is possible when your mind and eyes cannot make peace with what is known and what is seen.


14 posted on 02/11/2019 7:22:36 AM PST by jmclemore (Go Trump)
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To: spirited irish
evolution [ ] supposedly provides a 'scientific' explanation for the emergence of life from non-life bearing chemicals

No it doesn't, and the only people who say it does are creationists.

Evolution describes how species diverge from other species. "Abiogenesis" is a completely different idea and describes a hypothesis about how RNA could have originated from non-organic chemicals on the early Earth.

15 posted on 02/11/2019 7:27:18 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Openurmind

“Read the whole article... it gets worse.”

I believe it.


16 posted on 02/11/2019 7:32:27 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: spirited irish

“Darwin’s evolutionary theory” the liberals love to discuss and use in schools but the fail to even consider Darwin’s views on races. Why is that?


17 posted on 02/11/2019 7:52:07 AM PST by Demanwideplan
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To: jmclemore

I think so too, it is not a sin to learn and take from both faith and science.

But to clarify the science and Christianity in this is not where my criticisms lie at all. Mine is with blindly using “keyword” concepts without any obvious knowledge of what they are.

Apparently there is no theological history in the author’s background. Before you use an apple or an orange as a comparison to a subject or topic you should first know what the heck an apple or orange even is.

If you don’t know... then don’t use the concept as an incorrect comparison in the first place. They will just be incorrectly applied keywords without any factual context.


18 posted on 02/11/2019 7:58:16 AM PST by Openurmind
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To: VanShuyten

Just recognition of a trend?!? As no one has ever seen the energy ‘causing’ the so-called trend, then by whatever rationalization used to argue for evolution, it remains a figment of the imagination. It is not empirical science, in other words, but magic science, the magic empowered by the will of man.


19 posted on 02/11/2019 7:58:20 AM PST by spirited irish
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To: IrishBrigade
The personal Tril-Personal Creator is eternally existent. He has always existed.

Now fools who scoff and mock at this answer actually believe (by faith in the unseen) that chaotic primordial matter has either always existed or came into existence together with Time, Natural Law, Natural Selection, Evil, and Life when a Cosmic Egg exploded (Big Bang), thus allowing for an unseen creative energy to act upon matter.

In this faith-system, there really isn't any originating source for life, or consciousness which is why many materialists have been secretly crossing the fluid line between materialism and mystical pantheism to embrace of the latter. Many others, such as C. Arthur Clark, embraced both mystical pantheism and the idea of extraterrestrials in the vain hope that they brought life to earth. But where they supposedly obtained life remains unanswered.

20 posted on 02/11/2019 8:11:30 AM PST by spirited irish
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