[farming pharmer]

You want to tell 400,000 retired union guys (my dad was a teamster for 42 years and worked full time until he was 72) that the pension they were promised is no longer coming? Even with a federal bailout, my father's pension goes from 38,000 a year to about 20,000 a year.

Blame politics and money managers, not the retired blue collars. AND, while we're giving free shit to illegal immigrants, our fathers deserve to be supported.

[NorthMountain]

The union lied to him about a pension.

The government lied to all of us about social security.

Deal with it.

[TexasGator]

You want to take money from me and give to your dad?

[Uncle Sham]

"Blame politics and money managers, not the retired blue collars. AND, while we're giving free shit to illegal immigrants, our fathers deserve to be supported."

This is first and foremost, a UNION problem, to be resolved between the UNION and those greedy bastards who worked for it in the hope of getting a filthy rich pension on the back of the taxpayers. Those retired blue collared types helped this come about by joining and supporting that union and buying into it's deception and lies and contributing to it's damaging politics. NOT.MY.PROBLEM.

Asking for taxpayers to bail out a corrupt union is unconstitutional. Our taxes are paid to be representative of our interest. We were never given a chance to vote our interest as it pertains to unionized federal/state work forces.

[Lurker]

Your Dad was a fool for believing the promises of union leaders and politicians.

Not my problem.

L

[John Locke]

I sympathize with your dad. I worked fulltime until 73, but had no expectations of a funded requirement. My Mother told me the truth: never trust the government with your money, because they will cheat you.

This is no dark secret: it was laid out explicitly by Samuel Smiles in 1875 in a book called "Thrift". But far too many people were seduced and deceived by the "welfare state". For which I hope the deceivers pay in blood, and pay in full.