Impeach Donald Trump

The Atlantic ^ | March 2019 Issue | YONI APPELBAUM

[A strike]

K, so can anyone answer impeachment on exactly WHAT charge?

[Nifster]

I had to double check at first it sounded a lot like the People’s Cube

[flamberge]

K, so can anyone answer impeachment on exactly WHAT charge?

I believe the impeachment charges boil down to "not being a Democrat". All the rest is just decoration.

They are going to go through with this. Plan accordingly.

[litehaus]

bammy sold this country out to his true buddies, the muzzies. He gave 150 billion of our money to his true love, the muzzies.
Never impeached.

Needs relentless repetition.

[A strike]

I think the actual charge is that we hate him and those who elected him.

[Jack Black]

Bullet Point Summary of Article:

• Many of the president’s fiercest critics have emerged from within his own party
• John McCain said nasty things about him:
  naïveté, egotism, false equivalence, and sympathy for autocrats
• Trump puts his self-interest above the good of the country, violating his oath of office
• he still owns hotels and resorts (emoluments clause violation>
• Demands personal loayalty
• On his first full day in office, he ordered his press secretary to lie about the size of his inaugural crowd
• Forced out Sessions for allowing Muh Russia
• attempted to have the Department of Justice launch criminal probes into his critics and political adversaries (no specifics)
• attacked Rosenstein and Mueller publicly
• attempted the "muslim ban"
• called the press mean names.
• He has assailed black protesters (no specifics)
• he said America had vote fraud
• in sum, an attack on the very foundations of America’s constitutional democracy.

• impeachment is for when a president is subverting the rule of law or pursuing his own self-interest
• Trump’s actions during his first two years in office clearly meet, and exceed, the criteria to trigger this fail-safe
• Impeachment should be used more, we are scared of it.
• "unelected bureaucrats who believe the president is acting unlawfully are disregarding his orders, or working to subvert his agenda"
• he House of Representatives can no longer dodge its constitutional duty

• the last effort to remove an American president from office ended in political fiasco
• We can't count on Mueller to provide the ammo:
• "No one knows when Mueller’s report will arrive, what form it will take, or what it will say."
• "The question that determines whether an act is impeachable, though, is whether it endangers American democracy."
• Clinton: NO. Trump: YES.
• House Judiciary Committee staff report in 1974: “The purpose of impeachment is not personal punishment; its function is primarily to maintain constitutional government.”
• Impeachable offenses: “undermining the integrity of office, disregard of constitutional duties and oath of office, arrogation of power, abuse of the governmental process, adverse impact on the system of government.”
• there is little reason to believe the Senate is more likely to remove him than it was to remove Clinton
• that may change
• question of whether impeachment is justified should not be confused with the question of whether it is likely to succeed in removal
• Good Thing: once an impeachment inquiry begins, the president loses control of the public conversation

• Good Thing: As Trump fights for his political survival, that struggle will overwhelm other concerns
• Good Thing: third benefit is its utility as a tool of discovery and discernment
• Andrew Johnson trivia, it was good
• Impeachment hearings: Good Thing.
• Hosting that debate in Congress yields a fourth benefit: defusing the potential for an explosion of political violence.
• Nixon impeachment hearings: Good Thing. Good result.
• Nixon resignation ended calls for revolution by left
• Impeachment, even if it fails, will doom Trump in 2020
• Next couple paras: Impeachment Process explained in moderate detail
• Authors admit Treason charge isn't possible
• So "High Crimes and Misdemeanors"
• lots of history to prove author did research; scholarly!
• Johnson lost after being impeached and surviving.

• SUMMARY: ORANGE MAN BAD!

[Leaning Right]

> Without a crime it is just whining. <

But the Constitution gives the House complete freedom to define just what that “crime” is. And there is no appeal process.

That’s why I think the odds are better than 50-50 that Trump will be impeached. There’s just too much pressure from the far Left. This Atlantic article is just one example of that.

But absent some genuine bombshell, the Senate will not convict. And so Trump will remain president.

[NTHockey]

<<In the unlikely event that the GOP has 19 traitors who vote to remove, what response would that create?<<

Keep your powder dry.

[a fool in paradise]

Impeach every Democrat president going forward. Democrats have tried it on every Republican since the 1960s.

File proceedings on day one.

[Incorrigible]

 

[ridesthemiles]

The beginning of the end for the Atlantic?

Some businesses know how to commit a very slow suicide.

[Trumpisourlastchance]

Why should I listen to Yoni Applebaum about anything?

[Jack Black]

The reason for Freeper's to care about this article is that the Atlantic is the magazine version of the New York Times for the Left.

Just like the New York Times is *the* source for the entire Lib media monster - all those CNN talking heads are basically repeating what they read in the Times a day ago - so too is the Atlantic the place were longer term and more complicated arguments are socialized.

In other words, by reading them you are doing opposition research.

Team Trump (including alt media) should be working to counter the bullet points summarized above.

Otherwise though, you can just wait and see what happens in the next few months.

Gateway pundit has built the schedule that they expect the Dems to follow that gets to the start of the impeachment hearings in April.

[Verginius Rufus]

Andrew Johnson survived by a one-vote margin, but 10 Southern states had no senators at the time, so it might not have been so close if they had all been represented in the Senate. Johnson was a Democrat elected on the Republican ticket in 1864, and it is not surprising that neither party wanted to nominate him in 1868.

Why weren't the Founding Fathers perspicacious enough to specify that no one could serve as President who owned hotels?

[M Kehoe]

Good afternoon.

Is YONI APPELBAUM a pseudonym?

5.56mm

[Jack Black]

Here is a related Conservative Treehouse article, where Sundance lays out what he expects the sequence of investigative events from Team Donkey to look like.

Sequencing the Resistance Process Through Likely Legislative Action – Tools: Cohen, Mueller, Horowitz… Key points:

If we extend the sequencing with all the above in mind it looks like the House Oversight Committee (Cummings) and House Judiciary Committee (Nadler) will likely kick the resistance operation into action (after Superbowl) with Michael Cohen’s scheduled appearances broadcast on television for the better part of two weeks use.

That first phase event will likely be followed by a late Feb/early March dropping of the Mueller report. There will be a grand lead-in, roll-out and press spectacle designed for maximum exposure. The tail end of that phase will lead to more hearings throughout March perhaps into early April with subpoenas based on the report framework.

Again, remember these are Democrats. This stuff is already planned out in the broad strokes. The upcoming congressional calendar has all of these events considered. Pelosi and Schumer have told their key underlings of preliminary vacation blackout dates etc.

If Q1 and April are full of committee hearings and Mueller providing something May might be when formal Impeachment hearings begin in the Judiciary Committee, maybe forwarding to the House around Jun 1, and a June vote to Impeach and send to the Senate.

[Jack Black]

Is YONI APPELBAUM a pseudonym?

No. Sadly for him it's his real name. Here is his Wikipedia bio: Yoni Appelbaum

[ctdonath2]

House impeachment would mean nothing. It would just be a lot of noise, payback for impeaching Clinton, and fantasizing about reversing the 2016 election.

Senate removal would start CWII. Even if it were legitimate (actual crime committed), enough would disagree and act accordingly.

[TADSLOS]

It’s still January 2019.

It’s going to be a long two years of daily attacks by desperate people saying and doing desperate things.

We are in hair trigger territory.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

As for the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution, Trump has repeatedly trampled upon them.

He pledged to ban entry to the United States on the basis of religion, and did his best to follow through ^{banned travel from several Muslim countries - but not all, and not the largest. His edict was upheld in SCOTUS.} .

He has attacked ^{- the horror! returned criticism to his critics in} the press as the “enemy of the people” and barred critical outlets and reporters ^{offended the noblemen of the “Fourth Estate”} from attending his events. He has assailed ^criticized black protesters ^noblemen.

In short, he has not accepted the superior rights and privileges which Democrats demand for themselves.