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To: Kaslin
Perhaps my attitude is wrong but I think this was wrong-headed from the start.

It is very important to me that the Wall is built.
But it is especially important to me that the GOVERNMENT build the wall.

Defense against foreign invasion. It's in the Constitution. I need to see my government care about that, and shoulder the responsibility.

2 posted on 01/12/2019 8:17:32 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: ClearCase_guy
While understanding your point, if for whatever irrational reason I was considering the purchase of a residence along the southern border, I'd prefer one along the privately built wall as another small, personal way of sending DC a big FU !
8 posted on 01/12/2019 8:27:41 AM PST by tomkat
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To: ClearCase_guy

It is very important to me that the Wall is built.
But it is especially important to me that the GOVERNMENT build the wall.

Defense against foreign invasion. It’s in the Constitution. I need to see my government care about that, and shoulder the responsibility.

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“...[W]henever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

It is impossible to deny that the present government is both malfeasant and indifferent towards its fundamental responsibilities. Though some within still try, collectively it is an expensive, sullen ornament.


9 posted on 01/12/2019 8:31:50 AM PST by Psalm 144 (2016 Election Tampering: a weasel borne plague originating in the UK.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

It is very important to me that the Wall is built.
But it is especially important to me that the GOVERNMENT build the wall.

Defense against foreign invasion. It’s in the Constitution. I need to see my government care about that, and shoulder the responsibility.

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“...[W]henever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

It is impossible to deny that the present government is both malfeasant and indifferent towards its fundamental responsibilities. Though some within still try, collectively it is an expensive, sullen ornament.


10 posted on 01/12/2019 8:31:54 AM PST by Psalm 144 (2016 Election Tampering: a weasel borne plague originating in the UK.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
wrong-headed from the start.

I've donated without the expectation it would EVER get to even within eyesight of its $5B goal. And, I agree 100% with you that the "wall", whatever form it takes, must be paid for and built by the Constitutionally-mandated-to-protect-us Federal government.

However, the message it sent was worth the contribution price - Congress has been dickering with the issue for far too long without proper action. This GFM drive gave/gives them a little kick in the pants, get off their duffs and do it.

It bother's me to no end thinking they did nothing while running the House for 2 years, and what now, go into another wilderness epoch of no action? Well, this $20M GFM is another loud poke at 'em.

13 posted on 01/12/2019 8:35:39 AM PST by C210N (Republicans sign check fronts; 'Rats sign check backs.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

We will never have a wall in that case. This is not about border security to the dems. It is not about free dhimmicrat votes by the newly established dependent class. It is 100% about the existential threat currently embodied by Donald Trump, and the belief that shutting down the wall will crumble his support, and this threat must be eliminated by any means necessary. By hook or by crook, and 5 or 10 or even 100 billion dollars spent on judge shopping if that is what it takes, in order to goad trump into acting on an “impeachable” offense that the media will trumpet at volume 11 24/7.


15 posted on 01/12/2019 8:37:39 AM PST by dsrtsage (For Leftists, World History starts every day at breakfast)
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To: ClearCase_guy
It is very important to me that the Wall is built. But it is especially important to me that the GOVERNMENT build the wall.

Defense against foreign invasion. It's in the Constitution. I need to see my government care about that, and shoulder the responsibility.

It would be great if the govt would just get with the program and build the wall. However, there's nothing stopping private property owners from allowing this private wall to be built on their property. As a Texas large parcel landowner myself, I would imagine a lot of them would welcome it. It would just replace their existing fences.

29 posted on 01/12/2019 9:19:07 AM PST by eastexsteve
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To: ClearCase_guy

But if landowners along the border want an effective (and expensive) wall now and the citizens of this country are willing to help them build it, why not? Why should we the people put up with the antics of Chuckie and Nazi and their band of dysfunctional democrats while thousands upon thousands of criminal invaders cross the borders daily. Who cares who builds the wall, as long as the wall gets built in a timely manner? Sometimes we the people have to drag the govt along, or perhaps ultimately we may have to create a new one!


33 posted on 01/12/2019 9:36:20 AM PST by erkelly
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To: ClearCase_guy
"It is very important to me that the Wall is built. But it is especially important to me that the GOVERNMENT build the wall."

I agree and there is already in place a way to do this on our tax form 1040 that is being used by the government to accept donations. Currently, there is only one option for taxpayers to donate to and it's the national debt. The Bureau of the Fiscal Service may accept gifts donated to the United States Government to reduce debt held by the public. Acting for the Secretary of the Treasury, Fiscal Service may accept a gift of: Money, only on the condition that it be used to reduce debt held by the public. We need to ADD another option to the 1040 which allows Americans to donate money to build the border wall.

Ask your congressman and Senator to offer legislation adding the border wall to this provision. We the people should not be blocked from funding something that we want done if we are willing to pay for it. Congress keeping us from doing so is not constitutional as it goes against Article Four, Section Four which guarantees to the states a republican form of government.

A republican form of government is one whereby the people elect representatives to the big decision making table to REPRESENT the will of the people who elected them. If the will of the people is to build a wall and Congress refuses to do so, then the people should have the ability to bypass the will of congress and implement their wishes. Congress should have no say in how funds are spent which are donated for a specific purpose. Congress only has authority over the money in their budget. Donations in excess of this is not theirs. According to the U.S. Constitution, we the people are the ones in charge. If we are able to donate to one cause already, we should be able to add the wall as another cause. Let's get this done. How can they argue against us doing what we want done as a nation without looking like total fools? President Trump should ask them to add the wall to this provision as an option and make the political case for it.

To me, politically, THIS is the argument that needs to be made. It will put maximum pressure on congress to actually fund the wall if they see that the people will do it despite them. It's tax season. That wall would be paid for in full by April!

36 posted on 01/12/2019 9:54:50 AM PST by Uncle Sham
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To: ClearCase_guy

“I think this was wrong-headed from the start....I need to see my government care about that, and shoulder the responsibility.”

I agree totally. But my beef is a little different:

We are already taxed to death - why should taxpayers fork out even more, just because the government is spending trillions of tax $$$ on all the wrong things?

We need to hold Congress accountable for how our already excessive tax remittances are being spent - not enable their gross misappropriations by volunteering yet more money to fund constitutionally mandated programs they fail to fund.

How is volunteering more money any different than advocating a tax increase?

Privitization is exactly what we need, but only in conjunction with commensurate tax rate cuts - if we privatize government functions AND overtax the private sector, the economy will sink like a rock.

Ronald Reagan said [paraphrasing]: “The federal government is like a teenager - if you want them to stop spending too much, take way their allowance”. He must be rolling over in his grave.


40 posted on 01/12/2019 10:09:52 AM PST by enumerated
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To: ClearCase_guy

“But it is especially important to me that the GOVERNMENT build the wall.”

Why?

Don’t you understand that the money ends up in the pockets of private contractors who do the actual work whether the contracting agency is the government or a private firm?

Since that’s the case, why in the world would you want to pay the extra overhead to have government be the contracting agency when a private firm could do it for half or even a third of the cost?

That’s just an unwise waste of resources.

Also, we should not overlook the fact that, if private firms begin this construction, the federal government — recalcitrant Democrats particularly — will stand exposed on the pillory of the world, shamed by The People of this country.

They will either cave to the manifest reality that they can join FedGov with the team already on the field, or they will reveal themselves completely as the thinly-veiled tyrants they are by weaponizing the power of the Federal Government to oppose the effort; a move that would quite likely resound throughout history as the final causus belli to the Second American Civil War.

This move to build the wall on private terms FORCES the National Security issue upon FedGov. They MUST support or oppose, and they cannot oppose without acting as clear-cut domestic enemies of these United States; as out-and-out traitors to whom death becomes a bill iimmediately due and payable.


47 posted on 01/12/2019 11:28:03 AM PST by HKMk23 (You ask how to fight an idea? Well, I'll tell you how: with another idea!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

It was politically astute because it embarrassed the dems and stiffened Trump’s resolve. That level of fundraising during Christmas when people are busy and generally buying gifts and traveling is unheard of and demonstrated the importance of the issue to the public. Dems noticed.

The media is now on an all out campaign to smear Brian Kolfage as a scam artist and destroy the the fundraiser so they can pretend that the public doesn’t support the wall, but were just dumb hillbillies duped by a skeeze trading on his status as a wounded vet.

Don’t join in by being a negative nancy about how the wall gets funded. Every mile of barrier reduces the flow while sending it to the gaps of least resistance making them easier to apprehend, count and report on which keeps it in the news no matter how badly the Demonedia wants to ignore or bury it.


53 posted on 01/12/2019 12:05:03 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: ClearCase_guy

“I think this was wrong-headed from the start.”

All heart, no head.

I still don’t have much faith in the remnants of this effort, but the founder has made a name for himself, and some powerful connections. I expect to see more from him in the future, that has good planning behind it.


58 posted on 01/12/2019 12:40:59 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: ClearCase_guy
"Perhaps my attitude is wrong but I think this was wrong-headed from the start."

You're wrong.

People -- regular Americans including a hella lot of Freepers -- put $20M skin in the game. In a month+. Without fear. Trusting in this Warrior.

At the bare azz minimum, that took away a key talking point from Speaker Skeletor: "I (***inhale through wine-rotted teeth***) just don't see where Americans are that concerned..."

Instead Pres. Trump could immediately pivot past "are Americans concerned" to "how do we break ground on this and survive Federal court challenges".

National Emergency is the way to go, and unironically, satisfies your concerns.

But as a #Narrative tackle, this Warrior delivered a total stuff on the Democrat quarterback.

65 posted on 01/12/2019 2:37:19 PM PST by StAnDeliver ("Mueller personally delivered US uranium to Russia.")
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To: ClearCase_guy

The government can later nationalize it under Eminent Domain, and take responsibility for maintaining and patrolling it. It’s beautiful that citizens are pitching in. I wish I had some money to donate.


71 posted on 01/13/2019 4:44:09 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

HOW much $$$$$ was raised by the Liberals for the crazy ‘professor’ lying bout Kavanaugh?

I would MUCH rather see citizens step up with small donations to hammer home the fact that WE want THE WALL.


74 posted on 01/14/2019 10:11:59 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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