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Trump backs away from declaring national emergency over wall – live
.theguardian.com ^ | Jan 11, 2019 | Adam Gabbatt in New York

Posted on 01/11/2019 12:40:32 PM PST by 11th_VA

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To: central_va

Here is an extract from USNORTHCOM’s published position (http://www.northcom.mil/Newsroom/Fact-Sheets/Article-View/Article/563993/the-posse-comitatus-act/). NORTHCOM is the Unified Command within DoD, that exercises command and control of US Military forces withing the Continental United States. They cite DODD 5525.5 as an implementing regulation within DoD, but the Departments of the Army and Navy also have their own implementing regulations.

As required by Title 10 USC, Section 375 the secretary of defense issued Department of Defense Directive 5525.5, which precludes members of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps from direct participation in a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity unless participation in such activity by such member is otherwise authorized by law.

The PCA generally prohibits U.S. military personnel from direct participation in law enforcement activities. Some of those law enforcement activities would include interdicting vehicles, vessels, and aircraft; conducting surveillance, searches, pursuit and seizures; or making arrests on behalf of civilian law enforcement authorities. Prohibiting direct military involvement in law enforcement is in keeping with long-standing U.S. law and policy limiting the military’s role in domestic affairs.

The United States Congress has enacted a number of exceptions to the PCA that allow the military, in certain situations, to assist civilian law enforcement agencies in enforcing the laws of the U.S. The most common example is counterdrug assistance (Title 10 USC, Sections 371-381). Other examples include:

The Insurrection Act (Title 10 USC, Sections 331-335). This act allows the president to use U.S. military personnel at the request of a state legislature or governor to suppress insurrections. It also allows the president to use federal troops to enforce federal laws when rebellion against the authority of the U.S. makes it impracticable to enforce the laws of the U.S.
Assistance in the case of crimes involving nuclear materials (Title 18 USC, Section 831). This statute permits DoD personnel to assist the Justice Department in enforcing prohibitions regarding nuclear materials, when the attorney general and the secretary of defense jointly determine that an “emergency situation” exists that poses a serious threat to U.S. interests and is beyond the capability of civilian law enforcement agencies.
Emergency situations involving chemical or biological weapons of mass destruction (Title 10 USC, Section 382). When the attorney general and the secretary of defense jointly determine that an “emergency situation” exists that poses a serious threat to U.S. interests and is beyond the capability of civilian law enforcement agencies. DoD personnel may assist the Justice Department in enforcing prohibitions regarding biological or chemical weapons of mass destruction.
Military support to civilian law enforcement is carried out in strict compliance with the Constitution and U.S. laws and under the direction of the president and secretary of defense.


101 posted on 01/12/2019 6:29:32 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo
Where were these regs when Ike sent troops to AK? LOL.

It all BS. Soldiers throughout history have been paroling borders since there were borders and soldiers, i.e. for about 5,000 years or so. Apprehending a foreign national is not harming US citizens an is in the spirit of those regs.

We are in a lawless time so our side needs to use this to our advantage.

102 posted on 01/12/2019 6:35:04 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: central_va

“It’s a joke... who cares?”

I am starting to doubt if I should respond to you seriously.

Eisenhower cited the exemption listed in my earlier post:

“Pursuant to the presidential power to quell domestic violence,federal troops are expressly exempt from the prohibitions of Posse Comitatus Act”

Eisenhower did not set precedent - the quelling of domestic violence exception has been invoked many times before and since.


103 posted on 01/12/2019 6:35:56 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: central_va

“LOL. It all BS.”

OK, I am writing you off as irrational.


104 posted on 01/12/2019 6:37:40 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo
“Pursuant to the presidential power to quell domestic violence,federal troops are expressly exempt from the prohibitions of Posse Comitatus Act”

You are an open border enabler. You would have us follow nebulous rules and be overrun? What a putz. Probably an ex Amry officer or some such BS.

PS : What would a sane person call what's going on now on the border? It is both domestic and international violence!!!!!!

105 posted on 01/12/2019 6:40:53 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: BeauBo

I am writing you off as an enabler globalist. Fine, don’t ever respond to me and I will not respond to you, deal?


106 posted on 01/12/2019 6:42:15 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: central_va

“What a putz. Probably an ex Amry officer or some such BS.”

Look at yourself in the morning, when/if you sober up.


107 posted on 01/12/2019 6:42:55 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: 11th_VA

He’s up to something........


108 posted on 01/12/2019 7:18:57 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: 11th_VA

He’s up to something........


109 posted on 01/12/2019 7:22:12 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: 11th_VA
It would look like defeat. let those calls go into congress all weekend to re-open ... I've seen two RATs already start to change their language

Good point. Let a free people work their magic against the tyrants.

110 posted on 01/13/2019 7:38:45 AM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: 11th_VA
are we gonna do this or wot !
111 posted on 01/13/2019 9:26:31 AM PST by KTM rider ( .......than to post a. Syria d remove all doubt)
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To: 11th_VA

KEEP THE GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN - TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY REPLACE FURLOUGHED GOVERNMENT WORKERS WITH ILLEGALS WILLING TO WORK FOR HALF...

IF THEY OBJECT CALL THEM BIGOTS AND RACISTS.

USE THE TACTICS OF THE LEFT AGAINST THE LEFT.


112 posted on 01/13/2019 9:29:48 AM PST by GOPJ (Replace furloughed government workers with illegals for ten bucks an hour. Show dems how it feels.)
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To: truthkeeper; 11th_VA; livius; All

If this drags out much longer, Dems may actually begin to do a more effective job of pointing out that over 600 miles of barrier/wall have already been built; terrorists come in from Canada and by plane, not Mexico; only 1 in 5 vehicles allowed across the border is searched; shipping and shipping containers are insufficiently searched; 3/4 million illegals are visa overstays like some of the 9/11 attackers; and other important issues not addressed by $5 billion for a wall/fence.

Also, since Trump is not a politician, he was no doubt informed that if he does this, future administrations could do something he would not like as Truman did regarding steel around WW2.


113 posted on 01/13/2019 11:36:33 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: LeeClementineKenny

The Chinese definitely bear watching. Blaming everything on Soros is too easy. And, of course, it is not possible that buddy Putin could possibly be up to anything not in our interest.


114 posted on 01/13/2019 11:42:48 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: henbane; caww; DoughtyOne; 2ndDivisionVet; All

Back in the 1960s and ‘70s, there was an NGO helping labor unions in Latin America build worker housing, setting up cooperatives, etc. in a bid to undercut communist subversion there. Some said this NGO was a CIA front. At any rate, one of the places where housing was built was San Pedro Sula. I think something like 2,000 units. There may also have been worker education. Was this before Soros’ time?


115 posted on 01/13/2019 11:52:09 PM PST by gleeaikin
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How many people are aware that the Coast Guard is one of the groups of government employees currently NOT being paid to work because of the shut down?


116 posted on 01/13/2019 11:57:50 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: 11th_VA

Yeah, we don’t need to increase any numbers right now.

We need an immigration freeze for about 30 years to assimilate all the flood we’ve already received.


117 posted on 01/14/2019 9:19:39 PM PST by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 $215.71 from 50% increase in 1.2183 yrs)
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To: gleeaikin

I don’t know when he came over to the U. S.

Look, I have no problem with U. S. investors helping to build reasonable housing for people anywhere. It does need to be profitable for them.

Not everyone needs to have facilities that are as advanced as ours. I don’t mean that to sound elitist, but not everyone can afford housing like ours.

Build what makes sense there, something folks can afford, even if it is very simple. Keep them warm and dry.


118 posted on 01/14/2019 9:22:14 PM PST by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 $215.71 from 50% increase in 1.2183 yrs)
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