[detective]

Surprised to see Vermont is supposedly more liberal than NY.

[Dr. Sivana]

Surprised to see Vermont is supposedly more liberal than NY.

New York is a LOT more than NYC, Ithaca and Albany. A lot of folks in the Hudson Valley and the western section are just fine. As Illinois is swamped by Chicago, New York State is swamped by NYC. Vermont is so underpopulated that retired, crunchy NYCers easily overwhelmed it. It was once among the most Republican of states, even voting for Alf Landon over FDR in '36.

[Vermont Lt]

Vermont IS New York. They all moved there so they could stop taking showers and spend every weekend at Lesbian weddings.

[x]

Vermont is more liberal than New York. Also IMHO probably more liberal than Massachusetts.

California, I think is more liberal than Rhode Island or Maryland.

It's also surprising that they think Washington State is more liberal than Oregon.

But things change. Vermont was always gun-friendly, but that's changing.

Seattle and Portland compete to be more progressive, and right now Seattle may be leading.

California was Reagan's state. It isn't anymore.

[trebb]

Get outside NYC/Albany/Ithaca and there’s a lot of rural small town areas....