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Townhall.com ^ | January 9, 2019 | John Stossel

Posted on 01/09/2019 10:03:03 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: NobleFree

POTUS is in favor of legalizing Marijuana?


121 posted on 01/11/2019 9:18:11 AM PST by Taxman (We will never be a truly free people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.)
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To: Taxman
As cited previously, he favors leaving the matter up to the states and getting the feds out of it. Are you saying that's not "evil"?
122 posted on 01/11/2019 10:03:47 AM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

Legalizing psychotropic drugs is evil.


123 posted on 01/11/2019 10:42:54 AM PST by Taxman (We will never be a truly free people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.)
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To: Taxman
Is leaving the matter up to the states and getting the feds out of it "evil"?
124 posted on 01/11/2019 10:44:24 AM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

We are back to the “Since everyone is doing it anyway, lets make it legal” copout.

If states want to legalize psychotropic drugs, it is their business.

I remain steadfastly against the practice, and, yes, I do consider it evil: No good can possibly arise FRom the legalization of psychotropic drugs.


125 posted on 01/11/2019 10:50:33 AM PST by Taxman (We will never be a truly free people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.)
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To: Taxman
No good can possibly arise FRom the legalization of psychotropic drugs.

The good would be the same as we achieved by legalizing the drug alcohol: taking profits away from organized crime.

126 posted on 01/11/2019 11:18:38 AM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

Oh? Not being up to speed on this psychotropic drug stuff and the criminal element involved in states that have legalized marijuana, I asked the trusty internet “Does legalizing marijuana reduce crime?”

This article popped up straight away: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/foreign-cartels-embrace-home-grown-marijuana-pot-legal-states-n875666.

In part, NBC reported in May, 2018 that “Federal officials allege that legal recreational marijuana states like California, Colorado and Washington, where enforcement of growing regulations is hit-or-miss, have been providing cover for transnational criminal organizations willing to invest big money to buy or rent property to achieve even bigger returns.”

Then, the Reason Foundation’s study, released in Sep. 2018 (https://reason.org/wp-content/uploads/does-legalizing-marijuana-reduce-crime.pdf) appeared:

“SUMMARY AND CONCLUSIONS

“The evidence presented in this brief suggests that legalization of marijuana for medical or recreational use results in:

“1. Patients substituting marijuana for other drugs, including opiates.

“2. Marijuana consumers substituting legitimate marijuana for illicit marijuana.

“3. A significant reduction in crimes associated with marijuana production, distribution,sale and possession.

“4. Reductions in other crimes, including some property and violent crimes.”

Rather than list each pro or anti-marijuana legalization article (ALL of which seemed to have a bias, BTW) I’ll just remark that they seem to be evenly split: pro articles touted the virtue of legalization while anti articles touted the dangers of legalization.

IMHO it boils down to a personal opinion. So, out discussion is, truly, over. I will not respond to any further pings on this issue because we have no common ground.

You are for legalization, and I am against it.

The pig is annoyed – let us drop the issue!


127 posted on 01/11/2019 12:10:22 PM PST by Taxman (We will never be a truly free people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.)
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To: Taxman
The good would be the same as we achieved by legalizing the drug alcohol: taking profits away from organized crime.

“Federal officials allege that legal recreational marijuana states like California, Colorado and Washington, where enforcement of growing regulations is hit-or-miss, have been providing cover for transnational criminal organizations willing to invest big money to buy or rent property to achieve even bigger returns.”

No evidence there that cartels have replaced the income lost to legal sales - they've simply responded by getting their reduced income through modified means. And note that the article says their customers are in the nonlegalizing states.

I will not respond to any further pings on this issue

Please understand if this fails to distress me. I will continue to respond to any further faulty logic or facts.

128 posted on 01/11/2019 12:42:08 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Taxman

Many family friends are long time tobacco growers— from the days when you grew a crop of quality and presented it at market in lots that were bid on by the Big Baccy US cos— the Dukes (American Tobacco, became BRit American/BAT),RJ Reynolds, Phillip Morris/now Altria). Told us all along how they no longer presented their crop for any to buy, and the big guys got together to reduce the price they paid unless offered on exclusive growing contract. Now there are no auction markets with many buyers. The ones that grow any are on a renewed contract for a fixed price of projected crop. So, they get the amount which will be paid, plant the crop (and take out crop insurance right away) and then, produce. If they don’t produce the amount contracted they owe back a portion of the advanced contract money from the company.

In this way— all the growers are controlled. The companies would immediately begin this with the supposedly gonna make a million pot growers— consolidate their farms and reduce paid prices.... and run them out of business.

One further example: RJR imports.. imports burley tobacco grown in Zimbabwe. Other facts: biggest tobacco production in the world- China, then India followed by Brazil, and then the US. The toid world smokes..a lot, and pollutes a lot.
The one-two punch of tobacco lawsuits and govt. regulation has in the US caused tobacco biz to look to replace those huge profits.... and, voila! It’s legalized pot in the US.


129 posted on 01/11/2019 11:04:54 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: _Jim

Correct— the same way they, all of the sudden CLAIMED their undying affection for the Dalai Lama— who was first brought to light in re: Chi-com’s destruction of Nepal and the creation of a Chi-com, fake Dalai Lama. This by multiple writings of William F. Buckley (they were friends).

Now it’s hip for Leftists to be “with it” with the Dalai! What a joke (and, as usual zero original thought)


130 posted on 01/11/2019 11:12:57 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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