Posted on 01/02/2019 11:09:33 AM PST by SeekAndFind
I’d like to hear it:
“We begin bombing in five minutes.”
— Donald Trump
Seriously, we could shut down their economy in 30 days...not a single Chinese ship could enter/exit their mainland without being sunk in fifteen minutes. They are a land locked country with limited naval power.
Quoting the Wikipedia entry for total WWII deaths is funny. Try a bit over 3 million for Japan. There was not a total of 70 million Japanese available at that time.
Israel will be landing a vehicle on the moon shortly. By that reasoning, how do they compare?
Russians have their own ‘Bill Clinton’ selling China the material science for the turbines.
Gotta agree there Jim. Chinese money is Everywhere.
And yes they’d love to have DJT thrown out and replaced by some buyable squish.
My hope is Trump will go the full 8 years and make getting us divorced from that rotten stinkhole at every level a top priority.
RiverDawg spotted it already. :) corrected
“All of the arms involved were either Hawk or TOW missiles or their spare parts.”
“I don’t see any connection with Oliver North as the motivation.”
Dealing arms with Iran wasn’t traitorist criminality? Of course it wasn’t... some slimy lawyer got North off. But more than likely... allowing POTUS from being dragged through the mud because of it.
A century prior somebody would have been simply executed.
“I will add I supported tha Contras then and now”
So... acts of traitorous criminality justifies in the end? There were probably other options than what actually occured.
But North got off. Or was the reality.of the outcome fashioned to keep Reagan from being dragged through the mud by the resulting relationship North had conjoured up with a terrorist state.
Did you actually support the Contras or were you simply in agreement with their cause? I think Peter Brown caught a lot of flack for the logictics support he was able to put together.
Then as now there where a number of obstructionists populating capital hill.
You need to read more
You act like North was some lone wolf
Apparently Clutch agrees with the Sandanista fan club that was eager to convict Ollie North. They were the ones who passed the Boland amendment in the first place and wanted to send people to prison for having the audacity to fight back against another Soviet client state establishing itself in the Western Hemisphere.
They managed to indict plenty of people besides Ollie North. Something like 11. Or maybe 14. Among them were:
Admiral Pointdexter, North’s immediate boss
Fawn Hall, North’s secretary
Caspar Weinberger, Sec Def
John McFarlane, National Security Advisor
General Secord
They would have loved to indict Ronald Reagan if they could have.
They are MIRV’d because Billy boy Clinton gave them the technology after they gave his re-election campaign big bucks but hey what the hell.
No to get to your point there fella,]
And just what would be enough provocation to gt your freaken dander up there pal?
Chi-coms killing 8000 Americans out there protecting your ass doesn’t seem to do the trick.
“Apparently Clutch agrees with the Sandanista fan club”
No, that is a completely false statement.
I disagree with the means to an end. And I’m not the only one who was in service and saw the ramifications of cutting a deal with enemy. Ollie North used misguided logic and supported Iran through his dealings. The same Iran that supported the murder of 301 peacekeepers in Beirut, 220 of which were his (North’s) Marine brethren, when the Iranian backed Islamic Jihad Organization truck bombed the barracks compound in 1983.
Totally inexcusable.
All the other horse crap in your reply was anti-Reagan propaganda. Which has led you to exonerate conduct unbecoming of a U.S. member of the uniformed services.
There were other avenues of funding the Contra which could have been activated. Funding through iranian back channels was the wrong approach, nefarious in concept and probably designed to force Ronald Reagan out of office.
“Apparently Clutch agrees with the Sandanista fan club”
No, that is a completely false statement.
I disagree with the means to an end. And I’m not the only one who was in service and saw the ramifications of cutting a deal with enemy. Ollie North used misguided logic and supported Iran through his dealings. The same Iran that supported the murder of 301 peacekeepers in Beirut, 220 of which were his (North’s) Marine brethren, when the Iranian backed Islamic Jihad Organization truck bombed the barracks compound in 1983.
Totally inexcusable.
All the other horse crap in your reply was anti-Reagan propaganda. Which has led you to exonerate conduct unbecoming of a U.S. member of the uniformed services.
There were other avenues of funding the Contra which could have been activated. Funding through iranian back channels was the wrong approach, nefarious in concept and probably designed to force Ronald Reagan out of office.
“Dealing arms with Iran wasn’t traitorist criminality? “
It would be if you consider Ronald Reagan to be a traitor for signing NSDD 138 in order to get American hostages released by Iran and its Hezbollah puppets. That was the origin of giving Iran arms for hostages.
I don’t consider the attempt to get people like CIA station chief William Buckley freed to be either criminal or traitorous. But obviously you do.
“All the other horse crap in your reply was anti-Reagan propaganda. “
You would have quoted it if there was anything like that in my post. Cut and paste is pretty easy.
You didn’t, because there is no “anti-Reagan propaganda” in my post. But nice try.
As I said “There were other avenues of funding the Contra which could have been activated. Funding through Iranian back channels was the wrong approach, nefarious in concept and probably designed to force Ronald Reagan out of office.”
North was on a fools errand.
After the “cover up” at least one crosscut shredder on most miltary bases was stenciled “Ollie” - that’s one hellava legacy.
Reagan was in the dark. One of his wisesr decisions was not ordering some Plan B to a Plan A that was executed behind his back. The Iranian government had absolutely nothing to lose.
“Reagan was in the dark.”
Reagan wanted station chief William Buckley freed, as well as some other American captives. It was plausible deniability, what any loyal lieutenant would do. Weinberger and McFarlane and Poindexter knew and wouldn’t have kept Reagan in the dark. Hawk and TOWs were of no risk to us, especially with Iran caught in a desperate fight with Iraq. We were giving minor aid to both sides. Iraq was getting satellite imagery from us IIRC.
I know that General John Singlaub shared your opinion of North.
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Sounds very correct to me ......
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