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2019 from a "FOURTH TURNING" Perspective
The Burning Platform ^ | 31DEC19 | Administrator

Posted on 01/01/2019 10:08:14 PM PST by vannrox

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To: Augie
but if it extends until the end of January and food stamp money is not distributed to 40 million people (mostly in urban ghettos) all bets are off.

Inkeep seeing this crap thrown around. Food stamp money is mandatory federal spending and is already defined by law as to how. The USDA’s budget may be discretionary, but food stamps are not. They won’t run out.

41 posted on 01/03/2019 6:48:39 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (There are two kinds of people: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.)
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Inkeep seeing this crap thrown around. Food stamp money is mandatory federal spending and is already defined by law as to how. The USDA’s budget may be discretionary, but food stamps are not. They won’t run out.

Like I said, it's time to be rid of society's leeches, and the criminal politicians who trade welfare checks for votes.

42 posted on 01/03/2019 7:56:53 AM PST by Augie
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To: John Locke; x; vannrox; Augie; RinaseaofDs; rockrr; DoodleDawg
John Locke: "...the attack was prompted by an act of deliberate betrayal by the North.
Lincoln had promised that Fort Sumter would not be resupplied, and the South had responded that they would allow the garrison to evacuate with full military honors.
Lincoln then broke that solemn promise, and ordered the Fort resupplied."

Lincoln never made or betrayed any such promise to anybody.
Lincoln's cabinet in March 1861 generally favored surrender of Fort Sumter, but most rank & file Republicans definitely did not.
Lincoln himself was only ever willing to surrender Fort Sumter in exchange for something of real value, such as a promise by Virginia not to secede.
But Virginians would not make such a promise, could not because they intended to secede just as soon as civil war started.
For that they needed a military incident, which Jefferson Davis was happy to supply, at Fort Sumter or Pickens or both.

By April Lincoln still unwilling to surrender Fort Sumter, so must resupply it.
Bottom line: here are the promises made, promises kept:

  1. In his February 1861 inaugural, Jefferson Davis promised to start war if he thought Confederate "integrity" was "assailed".

  2. In his March 1861 inaugural, President Lincoln promised he would not "assail" Confederates and they could only have a war if they themselves started it.

On April 12, 1861 at Fort Sumter both Davis and Lincoln kept their promises.

John Locke: "And so went the rest of the War Between the States, between me of honor and scoundrels.
Alas for the old Republic, the scoundrels won."

Sorry, but there is no "honor" in slavery -- none, zero, nada.
So yes, men of honor won, slavers were defeated & destroyed.

Thank God!

43 posted on 01/03/2019 3:10:42 PM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: vannrox; John Locke

The only tyrants were the slavers.


44 posted on 01/03/2019 3:25:19 PM PST by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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Interesting theory but it doesn’t account for WWI, The Great War.

How can World War One NOT be considered a human crisis? Because it was 20 years too early to fit the cycle?


45 posted on 01/04/2019 4:32:17 PM PST by DNME (The only solution to a BAD guy with a gun is a GOOD guy with a gun.)
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To: meadsjn
Who could have predicted that the ragged, homeless or tent-city kids of the Great Depression would fight and win World War II? What were the chances of that happening?

Some people here don't think that well of the "Greatest Generation" and blame them for the Great Society and everything that's gone wrong since the 1960s. I'm not one of those people, but they may have a point: the postwar world was created by the generation of Roosevelt, Truman, and Eisenhower. The unraveling began when the generation of Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford and Carter was runing things.

Other people would say that the years of poverty and privation in Depression and War toughened up the GI Generation to the point where they could better assume their civic responsibilities afterwards. I suspect they come closer to the truth. You had a generation that was disciplined and focused, used to working hard and making sacrifices, and that made them a match for whatever troubles would come along later.

And the GI Generation also came of age with a common culture and in a society that encouraged pride and confidence in the country (in spite of depression and war). They weren't as divided against each other or self-doubting as we are now.

Also, they had room to grow or move into. The economy had nowhere to go but up after the 1930s. The resources were there to take us from poverty to affluence if we wanted to use them. There was space in the cities for newcomers and space outside the cities for people who wanted to homes of their own. And the country itself could move from relative isolation to global superpower.

I don't think we see those conditions with the millennials (or the rest of the country) that Strauss and Howe looked on so hopefully. Most of us haven't been toughened up like the WWII generation. We don't have a common, confident culture. And just where we go from here - what better world there is to move into or make - isn't as clear now.

Of course, it wasn't clear in 1930 what the future would hold. They didn't know how fortunate they would be once the depression and war were over. And I don't want to be the prophet of doom about our own future. But the scenario of us all coming together to face a great crisis is less likely now than it was in 1933.

We had a practice run over the last 20 years. People came together to face 9/11 and later the economic crisis of 2008. For a while it worked, but today the country may be more divided than it has been for 150 years. An external threat may unite the country, but today it looks like the crisis may be an internal one that will only divide us further.

46 posted on 01/05/2019 12:47:17 PM PST by x
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To: x
An external threat may unite the country, but today it looks like the crisis may be an internal one that will only divide us further.

I agree. I don't see the creatures of the left uniting with anyone to save or protect the USA or the US Constitution.

Still, it is possible for the creatures of the left to stand down, and sit on the sidelines, while the Millenials of the right save the country.

Three percent of any age group can lead a much larger percentage of their cohorts to do some amazing things.

The cohort doing such things doesn't have to amount to even a third of the age-group population, including the support functions.

I believe something is happening now that will cause the creatures of the left to sit down and shut up for a while. Not to be discussed though.

47 posted on 01/05/2019 1:09:13 PM PST by meadsjn
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