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Trump freezes federal employee pay
Washington Examiner ^ | December 29, 2018 04:57 PM | Naomi Lim

Posted on 12/29/2018 6:45:52 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

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To: morphing libertarian

I’ve already excluded the military, the DOJ, and Homeland Security from cuts. So what errors are you referring to?


61 posted on 12/29/2018 8:32:44 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Trust the 17th letter of the English alphabet!!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

other agencies under powers granted by the constitution, I mentioned the postal service as an example. I’m not doing more homework for you. Did you miss that. You said prisons were in HS but they aren’t they’re in DOJ. Tap your foot once for yes and we’ll move on. All you have to do its read and we can stop the nonsense. Trust me admission is good for the soul and the record.


62 posted on 12/29/2018 8:42:22 PM PST by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Federal health agencies and researchers? There shouldn’t be any such positions. They can all go. Right now. They’re all nothing but tax sucks, every one of them.

ICE? Yes. ATF? No. At least not in its current form. It could be there in a reduced form to police international gun-running; act as a liaison between states for felony gun crimes, etc., but there is that little pesky “shall make no law” clause that should preclude 90% of what ATF does.


63 posted on 12/29/2018 8:42:41 PM PST by Reagan80 ("In this current crisis, government is not the solution to our problems, government IS the problem")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

good night I won’t be back.


64 posted on 12/29/2018 8:43:56 PM PST by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I know a couple of border enforcement guys. They are very pro-enforcement, work long hours and deserve respect. And a raise. There are slackers in the federal government, but many dedicated & hard-working types too. I’d love to see reforms to make it easier to fire the slackers, but I don’t like the attitude that all government employees are slugs.


65 posted on 12/29/2018 8:44:00 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I meant they get paid way too much for what they actually do. I make more than I would working for Fedgov but I have to do more than watch porn and complain for it. I worked for a while at an organization where the workforce was made up of a 70/30 ratio of contractor/fedgov employees. Our most productive days were when the fedgov folks were gone during holidays that government employees got and contractors did not and a couple of shutdowns when the gov people didn’t come in. The experience left me convinced that the fedgov workforce should be made up of 95% or so contractors. They would get more done with less people, be easier to cut when needed and taxpayers would not be on the hook for retirement, medical, etc. That is what I took away from working with fedgov folks.


66 posted on 12/29/2018 8:45:39 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Lois Learner is a great example of government employment corruption. She was not punished. She’s got that fat cat retirement plan till death. She wasn’t fired because short of murder, government workers seldom get fired. As I said, she is but one example. This corruption leaves a really bad taste in the mouth’s of the real taxpayers.

Not looking for a reply. Not wanting to get involved with this topic. Red


67 posted on 12/29/2018 8:49:48 PM PST by redshawk (0pansy is a Liar and Hates.........he just hates!)
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To: morphing libertarian
other agencies under powers granted by the constitution, I mentioned the postal service as an example

The same Postal Service you advocated abolishing in your Post #47? LOL!

By the way, I support privatizing prisons and eliminating the postal service and DOE and more.

The Post Office is a valid Federal Constitutional entity.

I’m not doing more homework for you.

You're not even writing my name in the upper-right hand corner of the page, for crying out loud. I can do my own research.

Did you miss that. You said prisons were in HS

I said no such thing. Jeez you FReepers with your misrepresentations.

68 posted on 12/29/2018 8:50:20 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Trust the 17th letter of the English alphabet!!)
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To: redshawk

And her boss, John Koskinen, was worse; if that is even possible.


69 posted on 12/29/2018 8:53:22 PM PST by Reagan80 ("In this current crisis, government is not the solution to our problems, government IS the problem")
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
I’m not laughing cause i worked on christmas eve, will work on new years eve as an essential fed employee.

Do you work in a hospital?

Where I work, no one can work on a holiday unless they get permission first. I gave one man permission to work Christmas Eve, Christmas, and New Year's.

There are different kinds of essential employees. I am essential in the case of a government shut-down, but not if it snows.

70 posted on 12/29/2018 9:13:15 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

doesn’t matter what I would abolish the existence proves you comment wrong.

Please don’t add lying to your repertoire.

Here is exactly what you said.


I specifically excluded the military and Homeland Security personnel from being cut, which would include federal prisons and GITMO

Government is not a career choice. It is not something to be proud of

Now a normal person would say, oh thanks I omitted that when I responded to you. or yeah I missed that one. But no not you.


71 posted on 12/29/2018 9:15:55 PM PST by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: morphing libertarian

I thought you were going to bed?


72 posted on 12/29/2018 9:16:50 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Trust the 17th letter of the English alphabet!!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

And now the rest of the story not included in the Headline...

>>>The order follows Trump indicating in August that he would block an automatic 2.1 percent raise for civilian workers who fall under the General Schedule remuneration system from taking effect in January pursuant to the Federal Employees Pay Comparability Act if Congress failed to agree on a measure by the end of the year<<<

Thank you Paul Ryan.


73 posted on 12/29/2018 9:21:02 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Democracy, two Wolves and one Sheep deciding what's for Dinner.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

LOL Is that your apology? Can’t sleep worried about your integrity


74 posted on 12/29/2018 9:25:48 PM PST by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: jospehm20
The experience left me convinced that the fedgov workforce should be made up of 95% or so contractors.

Contractors actually cost more than government employees do. The government pays their salaries, benefits, and overhead to the contracting company, and it ends up being significantly more than the GS salary in some cases.

The benefit of a contractor is that he or she can be fired at any time for not doing the job described in the contract, or if the need for the work goes away. Once GS employees get tenure (after 2 years on the job), firing them is extremely difficult and requires careful documentation. And it is possible for a misbehaving GS employee to be told not to come back to work yet remain on the payroll, because the process of firing is so difficult.

Finally, contractors cannot show up and work unless there is a government employee present to supervise. That is the law.

75 posted on 12/29/2018 9:31:33 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom

contracted prison are less expensive than state or federal run.


76 posted on 12/29/2018 9:32:55 PM PST by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: morphing libertarian

I wouldn’t know about prisons, never having managed the budget for any.

However, being in the position of managing and budgeting for GS and contract employees, I am well aware of how much each one costs. Contract employees cost more because the contract company takes its cut.


77 posted on 12/29/2018 9:37:43 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom

I understand you don’t know about that. could tell from your original comment. Another advantage of contractors is they can be temporary. Complete a task and then you’re out. Employees tend to last forever.

Best wishes 28 years working in and CONSULTING with prisons.

Sometimes consultants are necessary because they can do stuff or know stuff the employees don’t;

Happy New Year!


78 posted on 12/29/2018 9:41:30 PM PST by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
There should be a six-year cut-off for all federal (non-military) workers. Working in the federal government SHOULD NOT be a career opportunity or path.

Excellent idea - government workers should be rotated into DC as an honor - not to last longer than six years... Gives citizens a chance to take part in our great experiment... It would also stop government workers from thinking they're part of some royal ruling class... acting like they're 'more' than mere citizens...

79 posted on 12/29/2018 9:45:55 PM PST by GOPJ (DC Swamp critters can't sell influence or American blood in the Middle East anymore. They're frantic)
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To: exDemMom

Supervision is why I said 95% and not 100%. Salary may be higher for contractors but I don’t believe total compensation is. Government workers are not cheaper than contractors when you consider the education, training, retirement and other benefits that taxpayers pay for GS employees. I don’t know of any contractors that gets paid to sit at home but there are literally hundreds of thousands of government employees who will eventually be getting paid to sit home right now. You can have fewer contractors do the same work as a larger number of fedgov employees. When contractors are sent home for a shutdown, they don’t get paid. Being able to easily fire, reassign or lay off contractors as needed is also a huge savings and a factor in my assessment.


80 posted on 12/29/2018 9:57:49 PM PST by jospehm20
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