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To: artichokegrower

It may be naive on my part, but strangely, I never put myself in a position that might lead to it being plausible that I committed a crime that I didn’t.

Of all the people in prison for crimes they didn’t commit, I wonder how many are actually, 100% innocent, of crimes *related* to the crime they were imprisoned for.


3 posted on 12/26/2018 12:20:13 PM PST by TheZMan (I am a secessionist.)
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To: TheZMan

My son is one


7 posted on 12/26/2018 12:33:27 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true; I have no proof .... but they're true.)
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To: TheZMan

Tell that to General Flynn. A corrupt prosecutor can put you in prison on a whim.

And we have many corrupt prosecutos.


11 posted on 12/26/2018 12:40:05 PM PST by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: TheZMan

“I wonder how many are actually, 100% innocent, of crimes *related* to the crime they were imprisoned for.”

There are some.
And if it was you or your son, we would all say one is too many.


21 posted on 12/26/2018 1:55:08 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I don't want better government; I want much less of it.)
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To: TheZMan
Well here's how I look at it. When doubt arises in a murder conviction like this one, consider the overall rap sheet of the convict.

If the convict has an otherwise clean record or perhaps nothing more than a misdemeanor or two, then by all means let's consider the new evidence and clear the man if there is any reasonable doubt.

However, if the rap sheet is a mile long (as they often are in these cases) with multiple felony convictions, history of violence and whatnot, then let the man rot in jail regardless.

I sat on a jury once for a murder trial and the prosecution was strictly forbidden from mentioning the past criminal history of the defendant. We (the jury) were even told to "disregard" the fact that he appeared in the courtroom in an orange jumpsuit.

After the trial was over, we were finally told during the sentencing phase that this guy was already serving a prison term for another crime (which was why he appeared in an orange jumpsuit) and had a long history of other crimes. Yet this was not allowed to be mentioned in court during the trial.

Fortunately we did convict the man but we would have deliberated a lot less had we been made aware of the prior violent and criminal history of this man. Some say each trial needs to be conducted in a "vacuum" of presumed innocence which included masking previous convictions. I do not agree with that opinion. I think previous criminal history should be relevant during trial and vice versa - as a jury would usually cut a defendant a little more slack if there were no prior convictions and this was his first brush with the law.

34 posted on 12/26/2018 4:32:53 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: TheZMan
Well here's how I look at it. When doubt arises in a murder conviction like this one, consider the overall rap sheet of the convict.

If the convict has an otherwise clean record or perhaps nothing more than a misdemeanor or two, then by all means let's consider the new evidence and clear the man if there is any reasonable doubt.

However, if the rap sheet is a mile long (as they often are in these cases) with multiple felony convictions, history of violence and whatnot, then let the man rot in jail regardless.

I sat on a jury once for a murder trial and the prosecution was strictly forbidden from mentioning the past criminal history of the defendant. We (the jury) were even told to "disregard" the fact that he appeared in the courtroom in an orange jumpsuit.

After the trial was over, we were finally told during the sentencing phase that this guy was already serving a prison term for another crime (which was why he appeared in an orange jumpsuit) and had a long history of other crimes. Yet this was not allowed to be mentioned in court during the trial.

Fortunately we did convict the man but we would have deliberated a lot less had we been made aware of the prior violent and criminal history of this man. Some say each trial needs to be conducted in a "vacuum" of presumed innocence which included masking previous convictions. I do not agree with that opinion. I think previous criminal history should be relevant during trial and vice versa - as a jury would usually cut a defendant a little more slack if there were no prior convictions and this was his first brush with the law.

35 posted on 12/26/2018 4:32:53 PM PST by SamAdams76
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