Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Pope Francis Enacting Change to Lord’s Prayer: ‘Lead Us Not Into Temptation’
CBN News Faithwire ^ | 12/11/18 | Tre Goins-Phillips

Posted on 12/11/2018 5:56:43 PM PST by HotKat

The Vatican — under the direction of Pope Francis — will soon change the verbiage in the Lord’s Prayer to clarify God does not, in fact, tempt people.

The pope has taken issue with the phrase, “Lead us not into temptation,” one stanza of the Lord’s Prayer found in Matthew 6:9-13.

(Excerpt) Read more at 1.cbn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: catholiccaucus; lordsprayer; popefrancis
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-78 next last
change the verbiage in the Lord’s Prayer to clarify God does not, in fact, tempt people.

The pope has taken issue with the phrase, “Lead us not into temptation,” one stanza of the Lord’s Prayer found in Matthew 6:9-13.

According to the Daily Express, experts have been studying the biblical text for 16 years and recently concluded, “from a theological, pastoral and stylistic viewpoint,” the centuries-old wording used in English translations of the Bible is incorrect.

Related In this Sunday, April 1, 2018 file photo, nuns are silhouetted in St. Peter's Square at the Vatican. AP photo. Battle of Wills: Tiny Order of French Nuns Takes on Vatican

Pope Says He’s Worried About Homosexuality in the Priesthood A Very Real Crisis’: Russell Moore’s Essential Take on Family, the Bible and ‘Herd Mentality’

Rather than translating the line as, “Lead us not into temptation,” the researchers found, the passage should read, “Abandon us not when in temptation.”

The shift in language comes one year after the pontiff argued the wording is “not a good translation.”

“A father doesn’t do that, a father helps you to get up immediately,” Francis said of the line in question. “It’s Satan who leads us into temptation, that’s his department.”

For years, Christians have struggled to understand the actual meaning behind those words in the Lord’s Prayer.

IS IT RIGHT TO CHANGE THE WORDING? The late theologian Charles Spurgeon explained during a sermon in 1863 that the word “temptation” in the New Testament passage actually holds two meanings, both the actual temptation toward sin and the facing of trials.

While Spurgeon made clear God does not tempt us, he does make the case God will often send us into trials and situations in which temptation toward sin is all but guaranteed.

“God tempts no man,” Spurgeon said. “For God to tempt in the sense of enticing to sin [is] inconsistent with his nature, and altogether contrary to his known character; but for God to lead us into those conflicts with evil which we call temptations, is not only possible but usual.”

1 posted on 12/11/2018 5:56:43 PM PST by HotKat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: HotKat

Meh, think I’ll wait and see what the next Pope thinks.


2 posted on 12/11/2018 5:58:48 PM PST by gaijin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HotKat

Doesn’t he have better things to do?


3 posted on 12/11/2018 5:59:03 PM PST by HotKat (Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason. Mark Twain)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HotKat

Couldn’t he go convert some non-believers or something useful?


4 posted on 12/11/2018 6:00:16 PM PST by oldplayer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HotKat

I never misinterpreted it to mean that God tempts us. The thought had never crossed my mind until now. Because I understand the concept of context. But I guess some people just don’t get it.


5 posted on 12/11/2018 6:01:32 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HotKat

No tinkering needed. Thanks.
Once that starts, it will never end.


6 posted on 12/11/2018 6:03:09 PM PST by lee martell (AT)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HotKat

Gigantic facepalm.

Ezekiel 12:2 1 The word of the LORD also came unto me, saying, 2 Son of man, thou dwellest in the midst of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see, and see not; they have ears to hear, and hear not: for they are a rebellious house.

Those of us with “eyes that see” have always interpreted it as “keep us from temptation”, not “don’t tempt us”.


7 posted on 12/11/2018 6:03:42 PM PST by TheZMan (I am a secessionist.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: gaijin

How does it feel to be frogs?


8 posted on 12/11/2018 6:03:56 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: HotKat

Just more proof this ‘pope’ is an illiterate idiot.


9 posted on 12/11/2018 6:03:57 PM PST by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and America!.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HotKat

It might be one of those jokey lines, like “Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof,” and Jesus comparing his word with manure in one of the fig tree parables.

Surely God does not tempt man. Leave that to the FBI.

Message from the Lord to anyone who starts having doubts when things get rough: “I have never hurt you.”


10 posted on 12/11/2018 6:06:00 PM PST by firebrand (Apropos line I heard recently. So obviously true.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HotKat

His reasoning is right on, but to change the wording after all these years, it will be a tough sell.


11 posted on 12/11/2018 6:07:41 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said theoal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: HotKat

Jorge the Humble strikes again. “Lead Us Not Into Temptation” is the literal accurate translation from the Latin and the Greek. It’s been use for nearly two thousand freakin’ years without complaint, but Jorge knows he can improve it. So humble!


12 posted on 12/11/2018 6:14:16 PM PST by irishjuggler
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HotKat

Jesus knows better than the fake pope


13 posted on 12/11/2018 6:14:29 PM PST by aces
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: CodeToad
"idiot"

He has Old Timer's

14 posted on 12/11/2018 6:15:01 PM PST by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's fore sure)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: HotKat

I wonder if God finds this guy amusing?


15 posted on 12/11/2018 6:15:42 PM PST by Professional
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: elpadre

agreed- as a practicing Catholic this is the first time i haven’t vehemently disagreed or opposed this guy...that said I will still be saying the Our Father for our President every night the way i’ve recited the prayer the past 50+ years...


16 posted on 12/11/2018 6:16:00 PM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: HotKat

WOW
This ‘Pope’ has issues with the words of Jesus Christ ?!!


17 posted on 12/11/2018 6:18:26 PM PST by A strike (Import Third World become Third World)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HotKat
Rather than translating the line as, “Lead us not into temptation,” the researchers found, the passage should read, “Abandon us not when in temptation.”

“A father doesn’t do that, a father helps you to get up immediately,” Francis said of the line in question.

Since he's taking it literally so then does that mean he thinks that God abandons us when we sin?

18 posted on 12/11/2018 6:18:27 PM PST by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: elpadre

This is why expository preaching is ideal. A pastor needs to teach what the text means and use the original Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew. You can add personal touches and outside sources but it is the pastor’s job to educate and guide his flock to the one correct teaching.


19 posted on 12/11/2018 6:19:04 PM PST by LukeL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: firebrand
It seems rather arrogant for the Vicar of Christ to think he can improve on Christ's words. Of course we don't have Christ's words directly but the renditions of them by Matthew and Luke. If only we had the lost Aramaic of Matthew to see what it said in Aramaic.

The Greek word translated as "temptation," peirasmos, could also mean "trial," as in putting someone to the test. So perhaps it could be read as a request that God not put us to the test (so we don't have a chance of failing the test). If God had not told Adam and Eve not to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they wouldn't have been kicked out of paradise.

20 posted on 12/11/2018 6:19:33 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-78 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson