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1 posted on 12/08/2018 5:47:13 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

A heavy burden to bear for the CHP officer.


2 posted on 12/08/2018 5:49:10 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: BenLurkin

So sorry for both officers.
I grew up in TO.
The Borderline is massive and very dark. The killer threw smoke bombs.


3 posted on 12/08/2018 5:55:52 AM PST by barbarianbabs
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To: BenLurkin

Bummer. This doesn’t sound like any more than an act of bravery by all officers involved and an unavoidable accident caused while trying to take down a dangerous POS.


5 posted on 12/08/2018 6:03:15 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you .)
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To: BenLurkin

Normally I would scrutinize indiscriminate shootings by LEO, But that scene was a war zone. Deaths and injuries from friendly fire in a war zone are much more common than one would think. It’s the nature of the beast.


8 posted on 12/08/2018 6:38:26 AM PST by Openurmind
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To: BenLurkin

I have been in a circumstance like this before and it is always possible. Communications are not always right and when you have so many with weapons it doesn’t take much. Most every department unless it is changed has different communication channels. Of course it may have changed I have been retired 25 years.


12 posted on 12/08/2018 6:58:44 AM PST by Herman Ball
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To: BenLurkin

Only cops should have guns
/s


14 posted on 12/08/2018 7:05:29 AM PST by sevlex
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16 posted on 12/08/2018 7:33:02 AM PST by null and void (Socialist Worker's Party. If they ever get elected, you'll work and they'll party.)
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To: BenLurkin

They even nail their own. Totally undisciplined firing.


20 posted on 12/08/2018 8:11:53 AM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: BenLurkin
That bullet was determined by FBI experts to have come from the CHP officer's rifle.

He was using a rifle in a confined space? Was this a dreaded AR he was using?

23 posted on 12/08/2018 9:33:47 AM PST by doorgunner69
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To: BenLurkin

If any autopsies of the victims show that they died because of police shooting, will that be made public?


25 posted on 12/08/2018 10:04:52 AM PST by doorgunner69
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To: BenLurkin

I believe this happens way more than the cops admit.


27 posted on 12/08/2018 11:25:58 AM PST by Mr.Unique (The government, by its very nature, cannot give except what it first takes.)
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To: BenLurkin

For what it is worth, cop friends from the area are saying the suspect monitored the officers approach on CCTV. He ambushed them hitting the sergeant 5 times. The sergeant went down and the CHP officer engaged the suspect. The sergeant tried to engage as well, but unfortunately got up directly in the line of fire of the CHP officer.


30 posted on 12/08/2018 1:46:28 PM PST by Yogafist
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/report-that-friendly-fire-killed-sergeant-adds-another-layer-of-tragedy-to-thousand-oaks-shooting/ar-BBQFeQ3?ocid=spartanntp

To me, the key takeaway was:

“Both Sgt. Helus and the CHP officer knowingly and willingly went into what can only be described as a combat situation, risking their own lives to save many others,” Ayub said. “It is a fact that many lives were saved that night.”

Long did not fire any more bullets after his exchange with the officers, other than one that he used to take his own life. He was later found inside the bar with a single gunshot wound to the head, which an autopsy confirmed he fired himself.


31 posted on 12/08/2018 1:57:31 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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