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Apple loses spot as world's most valuable public company to Microsoft
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Posted on 12/01/2018 9:23:07 AM PST by Alas Babylon!

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To: Alas Babylon!

The most creative minds are in tech.

All the tech companies which are mainly based out of Silicon Valley would be as a whole, 10th in value in the world if considered a country. Whether you like it or not. technology is very important in all aspects including R&D.

During transitions you might get product saturation or software overload but without innovation the sector dies.


21 posted on 12/01/2018 10:40:31 AM PST by Tilting
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To: IWontSubmit

Microsoft don’t have a public reputation for it, but they quietly pushed for gay marriage through lobbying and social engineering since the 1980s. It was a long term goal of the company, and one they wouldn’t have been very successful with if they were “in people’s faces” about it.

Apple didn’t financially back any social causes until Tim Cook took over the company. Now they’re all in, unfortunately.


22 posted on 12/01/2018 11:36:55 AM PST by Lurker51
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To: IWontSubmit; proust

So it seems that we either choose which cause we want our dollars to support, or try Linux.


23 posted on 12/01/2018 1:16:13 PM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Prayers for our country and President Trump)
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To: Skywise
MS is only ahead now because of sheer market cap but Windows 10 is a dead OS.

I would love to agree with you, but as much as I resent many aspects of Windows 10... It is certainly not a “dead OS”. That is wishful thinking on your part. In the last year Apple's share in the laptop market “fell from 10.4% in Q3 2017 to 7.9% in the same quarter this year.”

https://9to5mac.com/2018/11/21/mac-market-share/

Currently “the Windows platform as a whole being used by 88.53% of users. Meanwhile, Apple’s range of macOS operating systems are a distant second at 8.75%, and Linux third with 2.27%.”

https://www.techradar.com/news/more-people-are-using-windows-10-than-ever-before

People may not be happy about having to give up Windows 7, but they are moving to Windows 10 not away from it as you have stated. My wife and I acquired 2 laptops in the last year with 8th generation Intel Core processors, Windows 7 isn't even an option as the primary OS on these machines. It exists on both of our new laptops only in virtual machines. So despite wishful thinking on your part, consumers have very little choice and are migrating to Windows 10, in vast numbers. And the truth is that Windows 10 has evolved into a very capable Operating System despite Microsoft's incredibly annoying and obtrusive policies.

24 posted on 12/01/2018 1:44:19 PM PST by fireman15
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To: Bernard

I end is near.....


25 posted on 12/01/2018 2:02:27 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: fireman15

As I said - windows 10 is a dead OS.

Apple could be gaining market share but won’t because Cook is an idiot.

MS is ONLY gaining windows 10 adoptions because new PCs are preinstalled with Windows 10 and there’s no way to purchase Windows 7 - In fact Windows 10 has the WORST adoption rate ever and many people are opting for chrome or MacBooks or just dropping laptops and PCs altogether as an ancient relic and going with their smartphone or tablet.

Businesses are still primarily windows shops because of Office 365 but that’s pure inertia - like Apple, MS isn’t innovating but trying to shore up their existing lines and both are akin to Sears. They’re only surviving because there hasn’t been an Amazon to come in and turn them upside down. Google could do it but abdicated that for great social justice and wanting to be the next Facebook rather than an actual data company.


26 posted on 12/01/2018 3:19:15 PM PST by Skywise
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To: Alas Babylon!

As Maxwell Smart would say “ missed by that much”.


27 posted on 12/01/2018 3:50:08 PM PST by HighSierra5
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To: Skywise

I won’t argue with you, but you are very strong on your opinion, but I see little facts to back it up.

Apple revolutionized the world with the iPad and iPhone; who knows what they’ll come up with next?

And Microsoft is no longer focused on the desktop and local datacenter world in this cloud era—It’s just beginning!

But peace to you anyway.


28 posted on 12/01/2018 4:55:00 PM PST by Alas Babylon! (Boycott ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC and NBC!)
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To: Skywise
In fact Windows 10 has the WORST adoption rate ever and many people are opting for chrome or MacBooks or just dropping laptops and PCs altogether as an ancient relic and going with their smartphone or tablet.

It is an interesting theory that you have come up with. At this point it is completely unsupported by actual facts or sales figures. “Windows 10 growth actually appears to be accelerating. After achieving 350 million installs after a year, it reached 500 million in 2017. Now at more than 700 million, it could well hit a billion installs before 2020.”

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/windows-10-700-million/

As far as people moving to Chrome... they have fallen to 3 tenths of a percentage point. Linux use has dropped to 2 percent, and all Apple Operating Systems as I said in my last post and provided a link to have dropped to less than 10 percent.

There are a lot of things that I do not like about Windows 10, and Microsoft. But Windows 10 has now been installed on over 700 million devices and that figure is projected to be over a billion within a couple of more years. It simply does not make any sense to claim that the fastest growing operating system is a “dead” operating system. You are damaging your credibility here by making this claim.

29 posted on 12/01/2018 8:08:05 PM PST by fireman15
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To: Skywise
many people are opting for chrome or MacBooks or just dropping laptops and PCs altogether as an ancient relic and going with their smartphone or tablet.

There is something here that you do not have a firm grasp on. Phones and tablets are devices primarily designed to consume content, not create it. If your contention is that creating content is an “ancient” pastime then you may have a point. But if you believe that producing content is still an important use, then phones and tablets are less suitable in most cases and likely will remain so for the foreseeable future.

30 posted on 12/01/2018 8:17:20 PM PST by fireman15
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To: Bernard
Apple has 300,000 employees in China, according to a Wall Street Journal article I saw a while back.

Fake news, or you made it up. Apple has only sales staff in China, in their stores. With some distribution center employees that amounts to about 1500 employees or so in China, all involved in sales support only. None manufacturing, which is contracted out as it is with dozens of other American companies, many of which have far more employees in China directly involved in manufacturing. Check your sources and post a correct source.

31 posted on 12/01/2018 11:21:17 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Alas Babylon!
"Maybe. But now Microsoft is offering business customers who use Azure VMs free Server OS licensing. AWS cannot compete there."

AWS competes perfectly! It offers the only server OS that matters these days - Linux - for no cost.

Anyone who's been developing server software for the last twenty years, and that had the slightest clue, has been developing it for Linux. Windows continues to be an impediment to the software world, and in general.

32 posted on 12/02/2018 12:22:56 AM PST by PreciousLiberty (Make America Greater Than Ever!)
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To: PreciousLiberty

53% of installed Azure VMs run Linux.

Next.


33 posted on 12/02/2018 4:40:12 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (Boycott ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC and NBC!)
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To: roadcat
Well, I can't find the story now. There was one link to a WSJ story, but that required a subscription and that's not going to happen. More recent stories all call these manufacturing employees working for the contractors who make the Apple phones and ipads, and the only reference to a total I saw was 100,000. It sounded like they are all in China now.

So you are correct. I can't find the reference to 300,000 employees on the Apple payroll. I didn't make it up, so it must be fake news according to your definition.

34 posted on 12/02/2018 6:01:08 AM PST by Bernard (We will stop calling you fake news when you stop being fake news.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Also...

The Azure cloud includes more than VMs running an OS, whether Linux or Windows. Azure offers some hefty PaaS products such as SQL Server Database, Oracle and MySQL databases, Storage (including archive storage, complete backup and whole site recovery), Cloud Services web roles and Azure Web apps.

Why would one want to bring up a VM, install a database Management System, configure it, and then create and configure databases when one can simply get a PaaS database and configure it, without having to run the overall infrastructure? No updates to perform and worry about on the VM or SQL system—Microsoft does all of that for you—without a single loss of production as your databases and VNets to them are constantly replicated into production and maintenance slots.

Additionally, I can create Azure Web Apps at massive scales as frontends and use Azure PaaS Databases as backends all WITHOUT deploying ANY VMs and having to maintain IIS or Apache.

Workloads, not VMs, should be migrated to the clouds.

Just as we left physical servers behind and went into a VM orld, so should we go to serverless platforms and infrastructe.


35 posted on 12/02/2018 7:01:45 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (Boycott ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC and NBC!)
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To: Bernard
Well, I can't find the story now.

There is a lot of fake news out there (thank you Donald Trump for putting a spotlight on fake news). Apple does not have employees in China, other than sales staff for their stores. Same as with other countries where they sell phones. There are a few exceptions where they manufactured products in Brazil, Ireland and India (I think not any more although they may be revisiting Brazil). Macs are made here, while most of iPhones are designed in California and have parts contracted out throughout the world (USA, Europe, South America... and yes Taiwan's Foxconn). A lot of parts are manufactured in USA and Europe, while Foxconn makes parts throughout Asia for hundreds of companies (Apple is just one of hundreds that includes Microsoft, HP, Samsung etc.). Foxconn may employ several hundred thousand (I don't know how many) but they're making computers and phones for practically every computer and mobile phone company. I think these stories mix up Foxconn with Apple, unrightfully so.

36 posted on 12/02/2018 2:31:39 PM PST by roadcat
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