[Billthedrill]

There is a complication in today's political stance that makes an amicable separation unlikely, and I thought I'd point it out before the thread devolves into yet another interminable Lost Cause debate. It is this: that the animating ideology of the Left carries with it a requirement for world revolt, world transformation, world socialism, world government, world domination. Less will not suffice. If Clausewitz was correct that war is politics in another form, the opposite is equally true. The true line of demarcation here is freedom versus bovine herd obedience, and the elites are in favor of the latter because they imagine, to a single man and woman, themselves in charge.

Denials that their intention is not totalitarian ring false in view of such movements as mass migration and elite control of production under a spurious environmental flag. As Daniel Webster said, they mean to rule well, but they mean to rule, hopefully making things as comfortable as possible for we the ruled for our own good according to their judgment, and only so far as necessary. That we might not want to be ruled at all counts for nothing.

So no, no neatly geographically divided civil war this time, no overt force of arms with a sharply demarcated outcome. We are past the time when the Will to Rule had to disguise itself under fair euphemisms. It's out front now, that's the phase we're in if such things even have phases. And the reason the Left is so desperate to commandeer the resources of the state to fight it for them is that they'd lose it any other way.

[PeterPrinciple]

There is a complication in today’s political stance that makes an amicable separation unlikely,

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We tend to look at the future thru our history. But there is a recent demise of a world power that is much more likely.

We woke up one morning, read the newspaper and learned the USSR was kaput. In essence a centralized union of states disbanded without a shot fired.

[higgmeister]

I believe for your stated understanding that any action would be over in a few weeks with the individuals having weapons eradicating those that do not. The next election would have no socialists left alive to vote.

[NFHale]

“..that the animating ideology of the Left carries with it a requirement for world revolt, world transformation, world socialism, world government, world domination....”

In a nutshell: They want to use lethal, coercive force against us to either make us comply with their ways, or exterminate us entirely.

There is no coexisting with psychopaths who hate you.

So, sooner or later, that balloon will go up. We are not the ones pushing it, they are.

History is a harsh bitch of a mistress. We ignore her lessons at our own peril.