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We Were Made for Civil War
The American Conservative ^ | October 29, 2018 | MICHAEL VLAHOS

Posted on 11/16/2018 2:44:55 PM PST by Jack Black

Civil division and its conquests are the true makers of America, and continue to shape its national progress—or threaten its undoing. Indeed, the very founding of the United States advanced the principle of civil conflict over all others. Our very identity, from the start, was framed as triumph over the “other.” We cast them out, like France cruelly expelled their heretic Huguenots in the 17th century. For our part, we drove out 100,000 loyalists we once counted as blood brothers. This civil war itself lasted 20 years, from 1763 to 1783, but the ensuing cold war and residual battles with Britain did not end until 1815.

By then there was another fissure in the nation. After 1815 a new cultural migration began. Young America itself split into two opposed ways of life and two increasingly bitter political identities, which fought another 20-year conflict, from 1857 to 1877. Threats of secession and nullification dominated American politics all the way to 1896 with Plessy v. Ferguson. Only the “lucky” generations, from the 1930s to the 1970s, could pretend to celebrate something like national unity. Even then, such privilege was the demesne of a single, favored political majority—completely coterminous with the prevailing liberal establishment.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: cwii; cwiiping
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To: Jack Black

Very sobering article.


21 posted on 11/16/2018 3:25:47 PM PST by ealgeone (SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE!)
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22 posted on 11/16/2018 3:26:00 PM PST by tomkat
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To: rockrr

Yep!


23 posted on 11/16/2018 3:26:16 PM PST by quasimodo_79
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To: MileHi; Jack Black
Here's the opening paragraph of Barbara Tuchman's "Guns of August":

“So gorgeous was the spectacle on the May morning of 1910 when nine kings rode in the funeral of Edward VII of England that the crowd, waiting in hushed and black-clad awe, could not keep back gasps of admiration. In scarlet and green and blue and purple, three by three the sovereigns rode through the palace gates, with plumed helmets, gold braid, crimson sashes, and jeweled orders flashing in the sun. After them came five heirs apparent, forty more imperial or royal highnesses, seven queens – four dowager and three regnant – and a scattering of special ambassadors from uncrowned countries. Together they represented seventy nations in the greatest assemblage of royalty and rank ever gathered in one place and, of its kind, the last. The muffled tongue of Big Ben tolled nine by the clock as the cortege left the palace, but on history’s clock it was sunset, and the sun of the old world was setting in a dying blaze of splendor never to be seen again.”

Imagine that you traveled back in time, and were standing in the crowd watching the funeral procession, and telling the people around you "In five years, the countries represented here will be machine-gunning each other's young men on an industrial scale. Further, in thirty years, one of these countries will be shoveling people into incinerators by the trainload".

People would have thought you were absolutely daft.

But you would have been right.

24 posted on 11/16/2018 3:30:42 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Jack Black

I’m not sure anything widespread or sustained can happen while the poorest are the most likely to be obese and are the most entertained poor people ever. Also, our poor people are generally not used to hard physical labor and generally are used to indoor climate controlled environments. These are things that have never happened before. So I guess you could say that there’s a first time for everything, but it would be hard for me to imagine.

Freegards


25 posted on 11/16/2018 3:34:00 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: wastoute

2nd Amendment supporters are not concentrated like sardines in urban high-density lodging. They are too spread out for the blast/thermal effects of nuclear weapons to be cost effective against them, without taking out both the blue population, andvibfrastructure, which the elites rely upon.


26 posted on 11/16/2018 3:35:06 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

A discussion of the practicality of the threat is irrelevant.

What’s important is that he is threatening it.


27 posted on 11/16/2018 3:37:44 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: 14themunny; 21stCenturion; 300magnum; A Strict Constructionist; abigail2; AdvisorB; Aggie Mama; ...

A thoughtful article worthy of a Federalist/Anti-Federalist ping.


28 posted on 11/16/2018 3:43:21 PM PST by Publius
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To: DuncanWaring

Great post.

People tend to have a hard time believing the unbelievable is possible.

Denial can sometimes be just as cruel as the impending crisis.


29 posted on 11/16/2018 3:53:53 PM PST by TADSLOS (Six out of seven dwarfs arenÂ’t happy.)
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To: tomkat

Oh, wow. That is a powerful poster.

And so, so true.


30 posted on 11/16/2018 3:55:06 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: MileHi
I'm not pushing anything, as you well know. Because almost every CWII ping for a decade has explained that.

I started this ping list with three other FReepers many years ago because I find it interesting how often the Civil War is invoked in contemporary politics. I still do. In fact I wrote about it a few days ago on another post?

Seeing as you've already sent me an email asking to be taken off the list, which I complied with, I don't quite understand why you are here. You've also gone out of you way to personally insult me in PMs, calling me a kook, saying you no longer respect me.

Can't get enough of calling people names elsewhere?

31 posted on 11/16/2018 3:57:00 PM PST by Jack Black ("If you believe in things that you don't understand than you suffer" - "Superstition",Stevie Wonder)
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To: LeoWindhorse

As an old man once told me: “We should have picked our own damned cotton”.


32 posted on 11/16/2018 3:57:06 PM PST by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: Jack Black

Exactly what I was going to say.


33 posted on 11/16/2018 3:58:22 PM PST by ALASKA (Watching a coup by a thousand cuts....)
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To: Jack Black

“There is plenty of evidence to suggest—culturally, politically, spiritually—that despite one side winning that conflict, they remained divided over the ensuing generations, albeit along shifting fault lines.”

I’ve never thought about it, but I think that claim is valid. And we’re coming full circle.


34 posted on 11/16/2018 4:03:49 PM PST by ALASKA (Watching a coup by a thousand cuts....)
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To: Billthedrill

There is a complication in today’s political stance that makes an amicable separation unlikely,


We tend to look at the future thru our history. But there is a recent demise of a world power that is much more likely.

We woke up one morning, read the newspaper and learned the USSR was kaput. In essence a centralized union of states disbanded without a shot fired.


35 posted on 11/16/2018 4:05:14 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Jack Black

No Step On Snek!


36 posted on 11/16/2018 4:06:01 PM PST by dljordan (WhoVoltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: Nateman
All these bloodthirsty people itching for civil war. How about we try Article V first since it was made specifically to restore freedom without having to shoot anybody

Eff that. I wanna shoot someone.

37 posted on 11/16/2018 4:08:01 PM PST by Lazamataz (A political class that does not follow (and isn't accountable) to law, is a recipe for dictatorship.)
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To: PeterPrinciple
In essence a centralized union of states disbanded without a shot fired.

The Ukrainians, Georgians, and Chechens might take issue with that statement.

38 posted on 11/16/2018 4:10:26 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

I believe for your stated understanding that any action would be over in a few weeks with the individuals having weapons eradicating those that do not. The next election would have no socialists left alive to vote.


39 posted on 11/16/2018 4:15:25 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: Lazamataz

I feel we Georgians are misunderstood.


40 posted on 11/16/2018 4:16:42 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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