Posted on 11/12/2018 6:15:14 AM PST by dennisw
In Michigan, all ballots are serialized and must be accounted for as either being issued to a specific voter, spoiled and destroyed, or unissued and available for inspection.
A tear off tab at the top of the ballot has the serial number of the ballot which is recorded in the voting record log as being issued to a registered voter, and retained for later audit.
The number of serial number tags must match the number of ballots cast, and must be assigned to a valid voter. This makes it much harder to stuff the ballot box, since you’d have to go back through the registered voter rolls and assign tag numbers to people who didn’t show up to vote.
Does Florida not have any controls over how many ballots are printed?
okay now we are getting somewhere!
I knew I needed help here but I wasn’t sure what I was doing wrong; Even after you asked that question, my initial response was to think “No, my ballot had my name on it. It came with a sticker label pre-printed”
But now that I think about it, that wasn’t on the ballot itself, was it. I’m a little bit hazy on this fact, but if true, it’s an amazing point and I wonder if I’m the only one who needs this fact pointed out to them.
So if ballots themselves are not distinguishable, we have no way to audit the system and the results. There is no way to go back and look at ballots themselves and validate their authenticity.
You have Dead voters, felons, illegal and those no longer in FL on the VOTER REGISTRATION ROLLS. Those names are put on precooked Democrat ballots. How are you going to track down every “Juan Garcia” or out of thousands with the same name? These fake votes are then mixed into the machines with real votes and are undetectable.
The only fix is to disqualify all votes not turned in when the polls closed. Provisional votes should never have been allowed.They are an invitation to cheat.
Could be everyone who didn’t vote, but is on the rolls. Could be people who are registered in several locations. Could be dead people, dogs, cats, part-time residents like students and snowbirds, who are actually registered in their home states. No names go on the ballots, but these ballots are presented as having been submitted by anyone who could have but did not actually vote. And in some cases, just added in on top (where we have seen voter turnout exceed 100% of registered voters at some times in the past).
Per Yo-YO
In Michigan, all ballots are serialized and must be accounted for as either being issued to a specific voter, spoiled and destroyed, or unissued and available for inspection.
A tear off tab at the top of the ballot has the serial number of the ballot which is recorded in the voting record log as being issued to a registered voter, and retained for later audit.
The number of serial number tags must match the number of ballots cast, and must be assigned to a valid voter. This makes it much harder to stuff the ballot box, since you’d have to go back through the registered voter rolls and assign tag numbers to people who didn’t show up to vote.
That’s the way to do it.
Works that way in Michigan with our optically-scanned ballots. The stub has the serial number, and that serial number is recorded as being assigned to a voter. The ballot itself, after the stub is torn off, has no serial number, but the number of ballots cast needs to equal the number of stubs assigned to voters. This recording is done via laptop computers by the poll workers, so there is an electronic time stamp as to when the ballot serial number was assigned to the voter.
In order to stuff the ballot box, you'd have to assign the serial numbers to voters who didn't vote, and do it after the polls close. The time stamp would show that it was done after the polls closed, or else there would be many more votes cast and counted than there were serial numbers assigned to voters. Either one is a red flag indicating vote fraud.
Those are excellent responses. In this day of cheap and easy surveillance electronics, both video and location tracking, there is no reason that every move can’t be tracked.
Republicans may need to take this into their own hands initially. Citizen surveillance of the back doors of election offices in these troublesome counties beginning a week or two before the election and continuing until the votes are certified, starting in the next important election. Track their every move and document it on video, then make them answer for what they were doing. A GoPro and a GPS and a car is all you need.
From the article: “Law enforcement for some reason does not get involved,...”
“All evidence is somehow destroyed, and the “auditable trail” is somehow not so traceable or even close to being transparent.”
IF THIS sort of “eye witness” is all we have to fight back with it’s no wonder nothing is being done.
Where are the statements of how the fraud is accomplished. This is speculation. I can do that very well.
“Why the hell are people who have repeatedly broken the law IN THIS ELECTION still even handling ballots? Wtf?”
Because someone has to have both the authority and the cojones to haul their asses to jail.
No one does.
I thought you were “dancing” around the issue...
Wish I had taken a picture of mine.
If there was a label on it, it wouldn’t have been on the business side of the ballot, but again as I said, after I thought about it, I’m fairly sure that the label was on the envelope.
I do think the ballot had something printed on it similar to a bar code
LOL!
In THEORY, the ballots have a 'number' printed on them that is recorded by the Polling Station Staff. However, the machine that counts your vote does not keep track of that number, so there is no way to prove that the votes it 'recorded' belong to you.
What I find interesting is that if we used the staff and techniques of the gambling casinos, there would be NO WAY to cheat on voting.
I think I understand why this happens. If you create a system where people’s ballots are recorded and assigned to a verifiable identity, then you can (and probably will) get hacks and leaks of people’s actual votes. So even though this is what you would need in order to be able to audit and validate identities and votes, the danger is having people’s voting exposed, which in this day&age with the fanaticism of some of these leftist groups, it could pose a danger for people’s voting to be exposed.
Something has to be done though. The system needs to fixed.
We have the secret vote in the U.S. Once the voter has ID'd him/her self the ballot is taken and considered 'cast' and then registered. Thus there is no way to verify individual ballots. The only way to guarantee the integrity of elections is to hold election officials criminally liable. Here in Fla we are seeing that that is not ever done.
The Dems are represented by Joseph Stalin; we are represented by Barney Fife.
Another issue is that if you remove then anonymity of the ballot, you can then pay someone to vote a specific way, and also validate that they did, in fact, vote as you intended. As it is now, they can pay for a vote, and can validate that voter X voted, but cannot correlate the vote to specific candidates.
This is one of the reasons (of many) that electronic voting, i.e., voting through the internet is extremely hard to do correctly and securely. Most folks figure that if we can do internet banking, we ought to be able to do internet voting, but in banking, you want each individual transaction to be completely auditable in both directions. Not so with voting. You have to be able to validate that voter X is a valid voter. You also have to validate that voter X is voter X. Finally, when the transaction is executed, there is no way to tie a particular vote for a particular candidate to voter X.
Now, if you want to remove anonymity from the voting process, things become somewhat easier, but you open up other cans of worms that you may not like in the long run.
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