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Tattooed trenchcoat-wearing gunman, 29, identified
Daily Mail ^

Posted on 11/08/2018 6:58:16 AM PST by nuconvert

Ian Long, 29, opened fire at Borderline Bar and Grill in Thousand Oaks, Southern California, at 11.20pm

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: borderlineshooting; ca; calif; california; califshooting; davidianlong; davidlong; ianlong; shooting; thousandoaks
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To: Openurmind

Umm, no.

this is something that is the responsibility of the citizens to care for the mentally ill and require them to be medicated and under physical supervision and even locked commitment at times.

When one stops taking psychotropics especially the heavy hitters, at some point the psychotic symptoms re-emerge.

The psychosis stops being managed.


101 posted on 11/08/2018 8:49:26 AM PST by Chickensoup ( Leftists fascists today plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives soon)
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To: TexasGurl24

YOU obviously know nothing about mental health, psychiatry.

Psychiatric medication is not pseudo anything. I would estimate that most likely in your church congregation approx. 1/3 of those sitting in the pews are on some form of antidepressants-—or other psychiatric medications. Thus, they are able to function in society and have a fulfilling life.

Too bad, ignorance like you are demonstrating , is not supportive of people getting help when they need it.


102 posted on 11/08/2018 8:51:04 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (WINNING! !!)
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To: UnwashedPeasant

“It’s just a theory I have, but I think criminals often don’t follow laws.”

“Interesting. You might be right. But that theory requires rational thought.”

Well, we just don’t know if criminals don’t follow laws. I think the only way to solve this is more laws.

(Yes, this is all sarcasm for the impaired reader.)


103 posted on 11/08/2018 8:51:30 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Openurmind

Bingo. I take meds for some issues and I have never wanted to do a mass shooting. MK is the ultimate enemy of the USA.


104 posted on 11/08/2018 8:52:44 AM PST by partyrepub
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To: Chickensoup

I wrote almost the same post as you earlier. On a different thread. We need to welcome these shootings and mentally ill homeless on the street, IF WE DONT PROTECT OUR MENTALLY ILL AWAY FROM SOCIETY. (Protecting them and us.) Period.

My entire political outlook is toward freedom for the individual.

But I do not feel the mentally incapacitated are served by total freedom. We need stronger evaluations to determine who is mentally fit enough to handle our freedom. The ones who don’t pass need to be kindly and safely kept out of society until they are ready.


105 posted on 11/08/2018 8:57:24 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Apparently you missed the mark entirely...

The FDA needs to acknowledge there is a problem with the current products being pushed as “safe” by big pharma.

The fact that they are a huge factor with events like this is completely being ignored and becoming more and more common and costing innocent lives.

Please don’t put words in my mouth, I said not one thing about locking people up. My complaint is that health professionals would rather shove through six patients an hour prescribing drugs rather than loose profit spending an hour with one patient who might actually be helped with just professional dialog instead. Drugs should be the very LAST resort.

They are even doing this to YOUNG CHILDREN...

It should be recognized as unethical and malpractice... They should be held accountable for their greedy practices pushing drugs that cause serious events like this.


106 posted on 11/08/2018 9:01:46 AM PST by Openurmind
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To: nuconvert

Male crazy eyes.


107 posted on 11/08/2018 9:02:53 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know. how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: deport
For what it’s worth. AP Images aren’t allowed on FR. You may want to hit the abuse button and get it removed #36

D'oh! I knew that. Thanks.

108 posted on 11/08/2018 9:14:13 AM PST by al_c (https://conventionofstates.com)
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To: nuconvert
Several things comes to mind.

The continued breakdown of our society and morality. Kids used to carry guns to school for gun clubs back in the day and there were very little to no "gun" violence at schools of all places.

Wars that have gone on way, way too long. U.S. war in Afghanistan is 17 years long and the war in Iraq is roughly 15.

Of course, the knee jerk reaction by most in the media and hollywood, is to blame the inanimate object instead of looking at the person who used it unlawfully and what might have caused him to snap.

109 posted on 11/08/2018 9:15:45 AM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Uh huh, sure. Do you know how the DSM works? A group of elitist, cultist pseudo-intellectuals get together and decide, with the wave of a magic wand that things should be classified as a “mental disorder” or removed from said classification.

When the DSM embraces homosexuality and “transgenderism” then science cannot be at work, because both are demonstrably against the created natural order.

Psychiatrists are not only responsible for unleashing monsters into the world who should be institutionalized, they are also responsible for the boys in your girl’s locker room.


110 posted on 11/08/2018 9:21:54 AM PST by TexasGurl24
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To: nuconvert
Image result for Ian Long
111 posted on 11/08/2018 9:25:27 AM PST by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: nuconvert

“Long had modified his legally purchased handgun so that it could hold more rounds.

‘The handgun is designed to hold 10 rounds and one in the chamber. This weapon did have an extended magazine on it.”


The attacker gets to plan and use whatever weapons they would like - essentially without hindrance. The defender needs versatile weapons available. For the most part, weapons restrictions only affect the defender.


112 posted on 11/08/2018 9:26:56 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: nuconvert

He appears to have gone from a muscular guy in 2014, to a much skinnier guy by 2016.


113 posted on 11/08/2018 9:28:47 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: TexasGurl24

WELL, LETS GO WITH YOUR PLAN...

and that would be what? ....you sound like a Lib-—all ranting, all complaints, all hysteria -—not taking into account other factors ( like today’s leftists ) ....

But never a reasonable solution.

Get rid of ICE!!! they’re AWFUL!
AND..then, no practical solution..


114 posted on 11/08/2018 9:31:30 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (WINNING! !!)
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To: Mouton
In case you missed it, those that do not comply with the “micro stamping” requirement have been banned from sale for sometime. Furthermore, removable magazines of ten rounds or more are also banned as of last year.

Not quite correct. The micro-stamping requirement only applies to new models of guns manufacturers want to introduce for sale. As long as existing models continue to pass safety and drop tests they can still be sold.

Possession of large capacity magazines is not illegal. The NRA filed a lawsuit, which a state judge denied. The NRA appealed to federal court and a preliminary injunction was issued blocking the state from enforcing the law while the lawsuit wends its way through the courts.

115 posted on 11/08/2018 9:31:49 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Really? I am the one sounding like a “lib” when you are the one who is screaming for nanny government to provide “MORE MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES” for the “mentally ill.”

That’s laughable.

I merely pointed out that your psychiatric gods are quacks.

Your logical fallacies are astounding.


116 posted on 11/08/2018 9:34:30 AM PST by TexasGurl24
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To: nuconvert

Pardon me while I type the first thought I had after hearing about this.

I will bet there are a bunch of Leftists who are upset because this happened the day after the Election, not the day before.

Flame away. I have become more jaded than I would have ever imagined.

This happened where my Niece and her Friends used to hang out when they were younger. She lives out of State now and is beside herself waiting to find out of anyone she knew were the Victims of this Evil.


117 posted on 11/08/2018 9:37:38 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Democracy, two Wolves and one Sheep deciding what's for Dinner.)
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To: SE Mom

What a terrible shame.


118 posted on 11/08/2018 9:38:54 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Jewbacca

“Long had modified his legally purchased handgun so that it could hold more rounds.

‘The handgun is designed to hold 10 rounds and one in the chamber. This weapon did have an extended magazine on it.”



119 posted on 11/08/2018 9:41:20 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Chickensoup

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mad-in-america/201101/psychiatric-drugs-and-violence-review-fda-data-finds-link

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1564177/

https://www.cchrint.org/2011/01/07/8480/

I can grab many more if you like.


120 posted on 11/08/2018 9:42:54 AM PST by Openurmind
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