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Multiple Victims Reported in Shooting at T.O. Bar (Thousand Oaks, CA)
Ventura County Star | Updated 12:14 a.m. PT Nov. 8, 2018 | Staff reports

Posted on 11/08/2018 12:26:21 AM PST by kristinn

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To: Trump Girl Kit Cat

Ptsd does not make people go on a murderous rampage. PTSD is an anxiety disorder in response to trauma.

His mental - medical condition has more to it than ptsd, perhaps he was bi- polar or something in addition perhaps.


141 posted on 11/08/2018 8:26:48 AM PST by HollyB
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To: af_vet_1981

Not necessarily fake news. I just happened to hear the ‘witness’ describe the shooter before I came over to FR. This is a distraught witness who may or may not have seen things clearly. The media is just repeating what this guy said, not making things up from whole cloth.


142 posted on 11/08/2018 8:29:12 AM PST by radiohead
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To: af_vet_1981

Yep it was an incorrect report from several media sources it does appear that was incorrect


143 posted on 11/08/2018 8:30:20 AM PST by no-to-illegals (..There is no difference between liberals/rinos/moslems/illegals/lamestream media ...)
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To: kristinn

Just horrible. Ive visited Thousand Oaks a few times, beautiful community..Its one of the few areas left in Southern California that is vastly Republican. I remember in 2008 when I was visiting my cousin in Simi Valley, driving back, saw a HUGE sign near the 118 Freeway for McCain/Palin..prayers for the victims..not sure why there was NOT a metal detector at the bar or some security at least to pat people down before entering


144 posted on 11/08/2018 8:35:25 AM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: unread
"I’m thinking possible ANTIFA Creep?"

...... I created that post before I knew the perp was a Marine Combat Vet with PTSD ..... While it is still possible that he may have been a member of ANTIFA ..... I'm no expert but heck .... The PTSD can manifest itself in many ways ..... One of these is lashing out in anger and violence.

..... Heck ... It's even possible that he may have been triggered by the recent Midterm Elections!

.... In any case .... Long was wound up tight about something and when triggered he took it out on either the venue, someone inside, The election, or even All of these.

145 posted on 11/08/2018 9:02:19 AM PST by R_Kangel ("A nation of sheep will beget a nation ruled by wolves")
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To: kristinn

The victim families should be suing the “medical experts” that released him in April for a similar event.


146 posted on 11/08/2018 9:04:28 AM PST by Mashood
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To: R_Kangel

I think the most interesting aspect of the mystery with him so far is why he chose this spot - with students from Christian universities having a party night to country music. We saw MAGA hats and Reagan shirts in the photos of people who survived. Did he specifically target young conservatives? It is reminiscent of the Vegas shooting in that the choice was a more conservative crowd.


147 posted on 11/08/2018 9:05:37 AM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Scott from the Left Coast

"...Did he specifically target young conservatives?..."


That is a perfectly reasonable hypothesis/theory about the venue chosen. Certainly worthy of investigation.

148 posted on 11/08/2018 9:10:04 AM PST by Blue Jays ( Rock hard ~ Ride free)
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
I think the most interesting aspect of the mystery with him so far is why he chose this spot

Have any idiots seized on the name of the bar yet? "Borderline" Border. Line. OMG! BORDER!! Clearly Trump's rhetoric on border security led to this. [/s]

149 posted on 11/08/2018 9:15:22 AM PST by Carlucci
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To: HollyB

What type of medication was he on????

That is always my first question when these mass shootings occur. Usually there is something there . . .


150 posted on 11/08/2018 9:16:45 AM PST by adc (wethepeople)
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To: HollyB

I am thinking it was medication he may have been given for the PTSD, it seems that EVERYONE of these type of shooters have ONE thing in common they have ALL been on a drug such as Ritalin these drugs are VERY SCAREY!!! I have come to believe the side affects are DEADLY!!!!


151 posted on 11/08/2018 9:32:07 AM PST by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: Trump Girl Kit Cat; adc

Good point about the meds. From what I understand there seems to be a higher chance of these violent reactions with teens and/or young adults. But, there is a definite trend happening.

I’m interested in learning about his tox screen results and/or any meds he’s been taking. Thanks for the reminder on this subject.


152 posted on 11/08/2018 9:39:30 AM PST by HollyB
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To: R_Kangel
"I created that post before I knew the perp was a Marine Combat Vet with PTSD."

I too am guilty of responding before the full story is known... There were all kinds of descriptions coming out about the shooter at first, and it does seem like something a leftist wacko would do...so... I think I better hold my ammo until the final story is told....

153 posted on 11/08/2018 9:41:06 AM PST by unread (Joe McCarthy was right.......)
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To: Trump Girl Kit Cat

I heard a man who wrote about this topic who read off a huge list of shooting incidents with a history of SSRI or Ritalin use by the shooters, not reported or barely mentioned in the media.


154 posted on 11/08/2018 9:56:30 AM PST by frank ballenger ("End vote fraud,noncitizens & illegals voting & leftist media news censorship or we're finished.)
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To: HollyB

IF we ever get those results. . . prescribers give them out like candy, and there is not much follow up on the individual’s reactions or symptoms until something tragic occurs. No one wants to go after big pharma. Just talking about the “mental health” issue isn’t enough, sadly.


155 posted on 11/08/2018 10:33:06 AM PST by adc (wethepeople)
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To: kristinn

“Location is the Borderline Bar and Grill in Thousand Oaks.”

9 miles from the Reagan Library.


156 posted on 11/08/2018 10:36:16 AM PST by missthethunder
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To: kristinn

Gun-Free Zones Work so well, huh, California?


157 posted on 11/08/2018 10:47:18 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Monthly Donors Rock!!!)
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To: HollyB

Yes most vets with PTSD are not violent.


158 posted on 11/08/2018 10:54:57 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight yourr way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: A strike

Um, cos he’s a poorly supported vet .. Idiot.. Get the facts afore shootin’ your foul mouth off.


159 posted on 11/08/2018 11:55:40 AM PST by Michael Collins (All I know through experience is all I comment on..)
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To: Pollster1

Oh, well. What the hell. Let’s ban Dessert Eagles. They’re big and scary looking. Where’s Camera Hogg?


160 posted on 11/08/2018 12:04:01 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (<br>you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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