Posted on 11/07/2018 5:05:21 PM PST by Boomer
Two election waves — one blue, the other Trumpian — collided on Tuesday night and left the electorate with a split decision that defies history and further exposes the tale of two Americas.
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But who is going to pay for this thing America can't possibly afford even if it wasn't $21T in debt?
How funny since it was the Dems and Odumbo who came up w Obamacare and made it UNAFFORDABLE.
Here's the Republican problem. The Dems are framing this issue strictly as what they can provide. They don't bring up costs or anything else other than what they can give to the people.
Republicans, OTOH, keep bringing up costs and other issues that the average person doesn't want to listen to. As a result, the Republican message gets thoroughly ignored.
Remember--half the people out there are dumber than the average person. We have to frame a message that all of them can relate to.
I read (years ago) how tv shows are dumbed down to a 3rd grade level so the majority of Americans can understand them.
I guess the republicans need to do the same thing with their message sometimes.
The Senate is Red, Moses himself couldn’t delver the Dims to the Senate.
I’ll probably get killed here, but the costs depend on how you look at it. If your employer is currently taking out 10-20k a year per employee paying for health care, that’s money I don’t see in my paycheck. If they send that to the federal government instead of an insurance company, it’s not going to change my life unless the system totally sucks, and I haven’t seen people complaining about Medicare nearly to the extent I see them complaining about health insurance companies.
“If your employer is currently taking out 10-20k a year per employee paying for health care, that’s money I don’t see in my paycheck.”
But it would you cost your twice that in taxes if the government provided it, especially the federal government.
Medicare nearly to the extent I see them complaining about health insurance companies.
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Then let me chime in. I was forced on Medicare at 65; it sucks. I have a supplemental policy that picks up what Medicare doesn’t cover. The other thing about Medicare that the Dems hide is that it only pays a reduced fee to the providers. Insurance companies are then billed at a higher rate to make up for the shortfall in Medicare reimbursements making insurers charge higher rates to the consumer. If we go to a “Medicare for all” who is going to pick up this shortfall? No one. Technology and innovation will stop because there is no profit to be made. Capitalism 101
Blue ripple meets Red tsunami.
Juan Williams called it ‘Purple Rain’
Actually if all the money that was sent to insurance companies was instead funneled as taxes to Fedzilla then there could be single payer. The insurance co employees would become GS workers. The only problem is it would suck door knobs quality wise.
Maybe there should be a big pot of $$$ for welfare benefits and these new medical benefits. Once it is spent,no more money available. Might cause citizens to think twice about allowing illegals to participate in the pot.
How funny since it was the Dems and Odumbo who came up w Obamacare and made it UNAFFORDABLE.”””
AND in the process, destroyed the health insurance companies we all have had for YEARS.
“If your employer is currently taking out 10-20k a year per employee paying for health care, that’s money I don’t see in my paycheck.”
But it would you cost your twice that in taxes if the government provided it, especially the federal government.””’
Everything stated here has to apply to very large employers.
Small employers make up over 70% of the businesses.
They CAN NOT afford those kinds of prices. I have done enough bookkeeping/accounting for the last 61 years to know that firsthand.
I have done books for one man operations where the entire gross is under $100,000 a year. That doesn’t leave room for $10-20K a year fo health insurance.
I’m sure all you said is correct. I’m not suggesting that small businesses should provide health insurance to their employees if they can’t afford to, or if they employ low-skilled people (example: fast food restaurants). But as a successful company becomes strong enough to afford to offer some sort of health benefit, its employees will be motivated to improve their skills so they can eventually qualify for a higher-skilled job that does.
If we go to a “Medicare for all” who is going to pick up this shortfall? No one. Technology and innovation will stop because there is no profit to be made. Capitalism 101
That cake is already baked. You get a nurse now instead of an doctor in many/most cases. Instant savings for the hospital and insurance company. Just hope that nurse with a fraction of the education of a doc knows what they are doing.
The best way I have explained why we don’t wan’t government health care is this. Let’s say I am 62 and need open heart surgery that will keep me alive for at least 20 years. Is the government going to spend $50K on surgery so they can pay me $500K in Social Security? Or are they going to let me die? If that doesn’t sink in, try this. Pretend you are drowning and I owe you $500K. Will I throw you a life preserver?
If so, then yeah, it should die. But I think if you broke it down, the amount spend on insuring people through Medicare is less than what the same number of people would cost via health insurance companies. Now maybe that’s because Medicare is not paying providers what they should be, but that sort of begs the question.
Maybe providers just wouldn’t make as much. Maybe other affluent countries would pick up more of their share of the costs of improvements in technology and innovation. I dunno, I’m just saying, that it would impose a large tax burden is not that persuasive when so many of us are paying either directly or indirectly tens of thousands of dollars annually for coverage.
Just because the American voter has the attention span of a teaspoon.
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