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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies; Redmen4ever; kabar; Electric Graffiti
"What Law Requires Birthright Citizenship?

Is automatic birthright citizenship for children of all legal and illegal aliens expressly required by the U.S. Constitution? On its face, the answer is “no.” No language in the Constitution specifically addresses how the children of foreigners must be dealt with in regards to citizenship. The 14th Amendment confers citizenship through “naturalization” or by birth to persons “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States, but provides no guidance on when an alien is to be regarded as subject to U.S. jurisdiction.""

There is plenty of guidance on what subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. means. Plenty.

All we need to do is look to the words spoken by those who were the framers of the 14th Amendment:

 

NO MORE BASTARDIZTION OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT!

Original intent of the 14th Amendment
Senator Jacob Howard (served on the Senate Joint Committee on Reconstruction, which drafted the 14th) clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by stating:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

https://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html

Sen. Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, author of the Thirteenth Amendment, and the one who inserted the phrase (All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the States wherein they reside):

[T]he provision is, that 'all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.' That means 'subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.' What do we mean by 'complete jurisdiction thereof?' Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.

Sen. W. Williams:

I understand the words here, 'subject to the jurisdiction of the United States,' to mean fully and completely subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

https://www.14thamendment.us/articles/anchor_babies_unconstitutionality.html

Senator Jacob Howard states the intent of the Fourteenth Amendment published in the Congressional Record May 30, 1866.
https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=073/llcg073.db&recNum=11

301 posted on 10/30/2018 9:38:47 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

Illegal Invaders are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, they are Trespassers who purposely violate our Laws.

I would think that Resident Aliens with Green Cards would be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States since they are allowed to live here with the approval of the Federal Government.


305 posted on 10/30/2018 9:54:03 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses.)
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To: rxsid

Good stuff.

See Post 325.

Distribute widely.


326 posted on 10/30/2018 11:48:20 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: rxsid

Great links. Here is another:
https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/hans-von-spakovsky/birthright-citizenship-stems-fundamental-misunderstanding-14th


331 posted on 10/30/2018 12:38:44 PM PDT by AJFavish (www.allanfavish.com)
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To: rxsid

“Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.”

Good stuff. Thanks for posting that.

Attention: Paul ‘the POS rino’ Ryan


344 posted on 10/30/2018 2:50:56 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Jeff Sessions IS the insurance policy)
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To: rxsid

Senator Jacob Howard (served on the Senate Joint Committee on Reconstruction, which drafted the 14th) clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by stating: “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

That’s interesting to people who understand English. “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers...” It refers to family members of diplomats, who have some immunities and are not subject to our laws.


345 posted on 10/30/2018 2:51:43 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: rxsid
Interesting indeed. Trumbull:

"Can you sue a Navajo Indian in court? Are they in any sense subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States? By no means. We make treaties with them, and therefore they are not subject to our jurisdiction. If they were, we wouldn't make treaties with them...It is only those persons who come completely within our jurisdiction, who are subject to our laws, that we think of making citizens; and there can be no objection to the proposition that such persons should be citizens." (Senator Lyman Trumbull, Congressional Globe, 39th Congress).
;-D


350 posted on 10/30/2018 3:19:59 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: Manly Warrior
"If a person can be drafted in the military, or vote, then they are under the “jurisdiction thereof”, not simply by required to follow civil law."

That includes young men who are permanent residents, and they're aliens. But from the beginning of the article,...

"President Trump plans to sign an executive order that would remove the right to citizenship for babies of non-citizens..."

So he's going to deport all of the children of green card holders, including members of our military forces, private sector business owners and many other family members of American conservatives (relatives who are citizens)! There it is, and in many other news articles!

If we're going to go loose cannon just before the elections, let's spread the love real good, eh?

From the movie, "Idiocracy:"

Attorney General: Brawndo's got what plants crave.

Secretary of Energy: Yeah, it's got electrolytes

Secretary of Defense: 'Cause Brawndo's got electrolytes.


351 posted on 10/30/2018 3:41:35 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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