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Russians blame shoot-down of reconnaissance plane on Israelis: Did the IDF miscalculate?
Great Power War ^ | 9/18/18 | USA Features

Posted on 09/18/2018 8:21:48 AM PDT by SleeperCatcher

In the Russian MoD statement, the government is accusing the Israelis of not giving Russia enough time to get its forces out of the area, and given the information available at the moment, that seems likely.

Did the Israeli Defense Force miscalculate on this one?

The Israelis, as noted in the above report, have routinely attacked targets in Syria deemed to be a threat to the Jewish state’s security. Most of the time those attacks have been aimed at Iranian installations but Syrian government bases have also been targeted in the past.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; Syria
KEYWORDS: idf; il20; israel; russia; shootdown

1 posted on 09/18/2018 8:21:48 AM PDT by SleeperCatcher
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To: SleeperCatcher

You play in a rough neighborhood expect to get a bloody nose.


2 posted on 09/18/2018 8:23:50 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: SleeperCatcher

The blame goes to whoever pulled the trigger.

The Israeli’s didn’t, and any attempt to shift blame to them is ridiculous.


3 posted on 09/18/2018 8:26:55 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare itself.)
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To: SleeperCatcher

The Syrians shot it down.


4 posted on 09/18/2018 8:36:30 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: SkyDancer

“Friendly fire” from the Syrians, that was anything but.

There is a three-or four-cornered war going on in Syria, with the Syrians alternating between teaming up with Iran against the Russians, the Russians teaming up with the Syrians against Iran, the interjection of the Israelis into the war zone, and also the presence of Turkey, which for now is not in active participation of much except the suppression of the Kurds.


5 posted on 09/18/2018 8:38:10 AM PDT by alloysteel (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, bury them in bull feathers.)
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To: Mr. K

An Il20 can’t outrun an F16. Hiding in the signature of the larger plane is the aerial equivalent of grabbing someone and using thrm as a human shield.


6 posted on 09/18/2018 8:54:08 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard ( Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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To: SkyDancer

The Syrians shot it down but, of course, the Israelis are to blame.


7 posted on 09/18/2018 9:14:36 AM PDT by arthurus (bl)
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To: SleeperCatcher

The whole concept of deconfliction is to prevent this, so either it wasn’t used, or was insufficient. The basic point is that Russian planes shooting down allies or vice versa is exceedingly dangerous for everyone.

The entire NEED for deconfliction is that we support the rebels and our actual war aim is the destroy Assad. The Russians are there to save Assad and shoot at our rebels.

There would be no need for deconfliction if all of this was really about ISIS.
And last, every bomb and missile Israel shoots at Assad, has the effect of supporting Al Qeida.

History will harshly judge that less than 20 years after 9/11 the American lead effort in the middle east was on BEHALF of the same Al Qeida that attacked New York and DC.


8 posted on 09/18/2018 9:16:19 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: SleeperCatcher

There are a lot of moving parts here. Unless the Russian plane was regularly flying in that same area every day at the same time, I doubt its position played a factor in Israeli use of it as a decoy/cover. The most likely reason for the shootdown is the Syrians screwed up and didn’t realize a Russian plane was in the vicinity. The S200 has been around since the mid 60s and isn’t the most sophisticated SAM. So the Syrians fired and it locked on the biggest target it could see. The F-16C has a radar cross section of 1.2 square meters. The IL? Probably 50-75 square meters.

The bottom line is Israel wouldn’t be involved in Syria at all if the shooter, Syria, hadn’t invited in Iran, who has sworn to destroy Israel, and keeps firing missiles into Israel. So Syria is doubly at fault here, both in inviting Iran into their country, and in firing the missile without knowing who might be destroyed.


9 posted on 09/18/2018 9:27:42 AM PDT by afsnco (18 of 20 in AF JAG)
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To: SleeperCatcher

When did the Russkies become Pusskies?


10 posted on 09/18/2018 10:14:08 AM PDT by MGunny
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IDF aircraft were back over Israeli airspace when the shoot down happened.

The Syrians shoot at anything.


11 posted on 09/18/2018 10:16:13 AM PDT by gandalftb
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