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Spanish flu: the killer that still stalks us, 100 years on
The Guardian ^ | 09-09-2018 | Mark Honigsbaum

Posted on 09/09/2018 9:42:57 AM PDT by NRx

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To: RedStateRocker

My mother’s father died from Spanish flu November 6, 1918.


41 posted on 09/09/2018 11:50:39 AM PDT by myerson
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

An estimated third of the world population (at that time) was infected by this flu. That’s a lot of people. Can you imagine having so many incapacitated ? It certainly created manpower issues among every field of work.

“The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one-third of the planet’s population—and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims, including some 675,000 Americans.”

The History Channel


42 posted on 09/09/2018 11:58:13 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: CondorFlight
Always wondered if that flu was developed as a biological weapon by Germany (it really had its start in US training camps)

Or developed by the US and tested on soldiers, where it turned out to be much more effective than anticipated.

It isn't like the US military hasn't done similar things since.

43 posted on 09/09/2018 12:00:28 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: NRx

My dear mother actually survived it. But she told stories that curled our hair to this day...


44 posted on 09/09/2018 12:05:51 PM PDT by redhead (PRAYfor little ones in pedo pipeline: child livestock: raped, tortured, and satanically sacrificed.)
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To: NRx

My late grandparents (Dad’s side) were young children when the Spanish Flu hit. I have no idea whether or not either of them contracted it.


45 posted on 09/09/2018 12:09:45 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks ( The US Constitution ....... Invented by geniuses and God .... Administered by morons ......)
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To: NRx

Thank you for this post. It was a well written article with facts and personal stories as well.

I didn’t realize the ‘Spanish Flu’ was a bird flu. It was interesting to read the theories involved on how it may have started and the reasons why sone were more susceptible than others.


46 posted on 09/09/2018 12:18:52 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: null and void

Please add me to your BOYD ping list.


47 posted on 09/09/2018 12:44:22 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Robert A Cook PE

They didn’t have anything like today, to give to my grandfather. He/they died from that flu by choking to death on their own fluids. Penecillin was not invented yet and there was nothing to fight that kind of flu.

My grandmother had it also, but the dr gave her something (she did not know what it was) different and she lived. She was the frail one and grandfather was the strong strapping farmer. She said it seemed to take the strong ones. They both were in the same house, seperate rooms and his funeral was delayed due to people wanting to stay away from anyone who had it. She, being sick also, could not be with him as/when he died. A cousin stayed with him.. was not afraid.. and I revered that cousin all my life.. he was that kind of man!

As I raised my kids, drs were reluctant to give penecillin and that type antibiotics unless they had to.. so they would not grow immune to such drugs when needed later. You are right, we do not have enough if such an epidemic hit.


48 posted on 09/09/2018 12:47:06 PM PDT by frnewsjunkie
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To: NRx
Here's a pretty good video on the subject.
49 posted on 09/09/2018 12:50:56 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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Flu: The Story of the Great Influenza Pandemic of 1918 and the Search for the Virus That Caused It Flu: The Story
of the Great Influenza
Pandemic of 1918
and the Search for
the Virus That Caused It

by Gina Kolata


50 posted on 09/09/2018 12:58:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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51 posted on 09/09/2018 12:59:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: GOPJ

Yeah, the FBI screening isn’t very thorough these days.


52 posted on 09/09/2018 12:59:54 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Given today’s media, they would hide it and the FANG companies would delete the social media posts and e-mail about it passing through their servers.

/sarc


53 posted on 09/09/2018 1:02:36 PM PDT by Dark Wing (terrorism, disease, public health)
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To: pepsionice

“These were rural communities without many travelers or people passing through. “

My grandfather was born in 1898 20 miles outside Ida Bell Oklahoma, near the Texas border in hill country. He said all he knew of this flu was what he read in the weekly paper he was able to buy from OK City.

That weekly paper was carried by the trading post, post office and general store in Ida Bell. About 50 yards from the rail dock.

And 300 miles from nowhere.

Imagine...getting your news of the nation and the world by the week. And only what the editor wanted to include.

The first commercial radio broadcasts were in late 1920, covered 100+ mile radius at best...but almost nobody had a radio. And most still did not have electricity.

Of the man born and raised in that environment I have fond memories. Sitting on his knee, fishing...my first sip of whiskey. And the requirement of bacon and biskets every morning.


54 posted on 09/09/2018 1:04:59 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Done. Welcome aboard!


55 posted on 09/09/2018 1:15:40 PM PDT by null and void (McCain is dead but his ego lives on.)
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To: NRx
My Grandfather, an Irish immigrant, joined the Army and was sent to France where he was gassed.

While in the hospital in France he got hit with the flu.

Recovered from both only to die of pneumonia 20 yrs later.

56 posted on 09/09/2018 1:19:26 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: 43north; CondorFlight

You dont need to “see” to transfer diseases among sick people and animals. You simply find then incubate the disease that seems most devastating and then release via spies in mess halls, etc.

Just like dogs were successfully bred centuries before we had any understanding of genetics


57 posted on 09/09/2018 1:37:32 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: 43north
"The science of microbiology was too primitive. Bacteria were known but there was no knowledge of viruses - none. If it couldn’t be seen with the very simple microscopes available at the time then no one knew about it. You need a scanning electron microscope to see a virus."

True, but even though there may have been no direct knowledge of viruses, there were those prior to WWI who made observations of their effects, identified vectors, and were able to, in some ways, manage their spread i.e., Edward Jenner and Walter Reed, to name but two.

Do I think the 1918 flu was a bioweapon gone wrong? Not particularly, but I would not rule it out simply because the electron microscope had not yet been invented. It is known that the German government did experiments with demonizing anthrax during the war years...

58 posted on 09/09/2018 1:40:13 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Research from John Hopkins thought the Spanish Flu was due to a bacteria, a Streptococcus spp, because from patients that were moribund with the disease were found to have the bacteria. Later they discovered it was filterable and a virus. Research intended to identify the causative agent of the Spanish Flu resulted in the discovery of DNA. The Spanish Flu originally surfaced the summer of 1917 in Kansas and resurfaced as a more virulent strain the Spring of 1918 and went pandemic rapidly. The way it surfaced and spread lends to a natural progression and as a bioweapon it was a virus which was unheard of at that time.
59 posted on 09/09/2018 2:09:43 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: frnewsjunkie

The last part of what you said about immunity to penicillin, it wasn’t you becoming immune to penicillin that the Doc was worried about, it was the bug becoming immune that scared him.
When I was a kid for some reason I was always coming down with toncillitis, ear infections, and respiratory infections.
My mother asked the Doctor to give me penicillin, the Doc told her no; when my mother asked him why not, he responded that as long as the SULFA was doing the necessary job it was best to save the GOOD STUFF for when it was really needed.
Old Doctor Snook was only about 50 years ahead of his time when it came to being concerned about drug resistant bacteria cropping up.
When it came to smarts and good medical practice, DOCTOR SNOOK didn’t just practice, he was a professional.
For an old time railroad doctor and epidemiologist, he would have made these modern doctors look more like cave dwelling witch doctors.


60 posted on 09/09/2018 2:12:06 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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