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To: Mark17; metmom; aMorePerfectUnion; ealgeone; boatbums; MHGinTN
How are you coming up with your summaries [of Matthew 25:34-40 and Ephesians 2:4-10]?

I did not provide a summary. I posted them in the context of the statement in 503, where, perhaps due the Protestant ignorance of the Holy Scripture, these passages are said to be a "blaring contradiction" and "double-speak".

Roman Catholic double-speak that says we are "saved by grace" but then "judged according to our works"
You are right that confirmed Catholics are called to explain the Holy Scripture but not to interpret it. I am a confirmed Catholic. If another confirmed Catholic wishes to bring my "summaries" into question, I'd be happy to discuss and ready to stand corrected.
577 posted on 08/26/2018 7:42:07 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

“perhaps due the Protestant ignorance of the Holy Scripture, these passages are said to be a “blaring contradiction” and “double-speak”.”

Is that the “demolishing??”

I note it is again just an assertion and and insult.


578 posted on 08/26/2018 9:32:09 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: annalex; Mark17; metmom; aMorePerfectUnion; ealgeone; boatbums; MHGinTN
I did not provide a summary. I posted them in the context of the statement in 503, where, perhaps due the Protestant ignorance of the Holy Scripture, these passages are said to be a "blaring contradiction" and "double-speak".

The believer in Christ is not judged in the sense of if they go to Heaven or Hell.

16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17“For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

18“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18 NASB

Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life. John 5:24 NASB

"He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. Mark 16:16 NASB

You are right that confirmed Catholics are called to explain the Holy Scripture but not to interpret it. I am a confirmed Catholic.

Ok...now this is double speak. If you're explaining Scripture you're interpreting Scripture.

And as Rome's own teachings show....you as a Roman Catholic lay member, your confirmation not withstanding, cannot understand Scripture on your own.

Rome has to explain it for you which leaves you in a pickle as Rome has only dogmatically defined a very small number of verses....less and 25 IIRC.

579 posted on 08/26/2018 10:11:51 AM PDT by ealgeone (SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE!)
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To: annalex; metmom; aMorePerfectUnion; ealgeone; boatbums
You are right that confirmed Catholics are called to explain the Holy Scripture but not to interpret it.

Right about confirmed Catholics? Maybe you are referring to one of the other people you pinged. Since I was at the top of the list, I assumed you were addressing me. I never knew about this little factoid, until you mentioned it, even though I am a confirmed ex catholic, so I couldn’t possibly be right about something I didn’t even know about, and never said in the first place.
I think you are playing word games again. Explaining scripture, and interpreting scripture, are exactly the SAME thing, except maybe not in YOUR world. Most of the time I disagree with your interpretations, oh sorry, your explanations. Am I always 💯% right? No, but on the only doctrine that REALLY matters, my interpretation (explanation) is totally and completely RIGHT. That is the plan of salvation. There is NO ROOM for false interpretation, oh sorry, explanation, of the plan of salvation. You either have it or you don’t. There is no middle ground. I have assurance of salvation. I am reasonably sure that you don’t. That’s on you bro, but I have no intention of waiting till the moment I die, to see if I make it to Heaven. Not going to happen.
Can you imagine, living your whole life, trying to attain salvation, only to find yourself standing tall at the Great White Throne judgment, and then being cast into the Lake of Fire? No way bro. Not going to happen. That is my interpretation, oops, sorry, explanation of the plan of salvation. If you push a different plan of salvation, ie, the Roman Catholic version, then of course, I will disagree with it, but I am comfortable with that. I don’t know about you, but I intend to have a nice eternity. If you don’t, well that is your choice. Just remember, it’s an eternal choice. Don’t mess it up. 😁😇😊😆👍

580 posted on 08/26/2018 10:46:01 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: annalex; Mark17; metmom; aMorePerfectUnion; ealgeone; MHGinTN
I did not provide a summary. I posted them in the context of the statement in 503, where, perhaps due the Protestant ignorance of the Holy Scripture, these passages are said to be a "blaring contradiction" and "double-speak". Roman Catholic double-speak that says we are "saved by grace" but then "judged according to our works" You are right that confirmed Catholics are called to explain the Holy Scripture but not to interpret it. I am a confirmed Catholic. If another confirmed Catholic wishes to bring my "summaries" into question, I'd be happy to discuss and ready to stand corrected.

Well, I was a "confirmed Catholic" and I am not ignorant of the Holy Scriptures. I'd like to hear how you "discuss" the contradiction/misuse of the Scriptures you posted that I presume you think defend (they really don't) the idea that grace saves us but our works are what we will be judged worthy to merit heaven. Like I said, I was a Catholic and I know what I was taught and I know what the Catechism still says. If our works justify us before God, then our works are what saves us. But Scripture repeatedly states that we are saved by the grace of God through faith and NOT by our works. Are you really ready to withstand correction or am I disqualified because I left Roman Catholicism?

583 posted on 08/26/2018 12:47:56 PM PDT by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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To: annalex
I am a confirmed Catholic.

I am a confused protestant.

What does your statement MEAN?

594 posted on 08/26/2018 3:15:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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