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To: jerod
There is nothing wrong with the Judge saying "You might want to spend time on a loan that was granted."... The procecution was questioning a bank geek about a loan that wasn't granted. Why bother asking about loans that were not granted? Doh!

Because bank fraud does not require the loan be granted. Only that the application itself was fraudulent. The judges remarks could be interpreted by the jury as fraud occurs only when a loan is granted.

32 posted on 08/10/2018 9:40:37 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Then that’s a minor instruction he will need to make to the jury to ignore his statement, there will not be a mistrial and this judge will not need to recuse himself.


40 posted on 08/10/2018 9:49:02 AM PDT by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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To: DoodleDawg

You are correct. But there is a good reason not to spend time on the Citizen’s Bank loan: It is not referenced in the indictment. Judge Ellis didn’t say it directly, but I think he was questioning why the prosecution is spending court time presenting evidence about a crime that is not in the indictment.

At the prosecution’s request, a Grand Jury indicted Manafort for loan fraud involving two specific loans that were consummated/funded. The prosecution claims to have evidence that Manafort made false representations to get the loans approved and spent the loan funds other than as agreed. Telling them to stick to evidence that relates to the case on trial seems reasonable.


59 posted on 08/10/2018 10:56:43 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: DoodleDawg

In this case the bank was not defrauded, they have no monetary damages because they didn’t make the loan.

Suppose Manafort told the bank he made $10M when he really only made $5M. The IRS can’t tax him on $10M, only on what he actually made. If Manafort filed a tax return only reporting $2M Muller should show evidence of that. So far he has not shown any such evidence.


61 posted on 08/10/2018 11:09:58 AM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: DoodleDawg

I disagree.

There has to be a harm caused for their to be a crime.

A disapproved loan caused no harm.


68 posted on 08/10/2018 12:56:42 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap)
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